Gospel-Centered Pro-Life Podcast
Gospel-Centered Pro-Life Podcast

Episode 126 · 6 months ago

Christmas As Springboard For the Message of Life

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The story of Christmas is on the forefront of everyone’s mind during this season. In this episode, we share how you can use the birth of Christ as a springboard to help men and women at the abortion center see the plan of God and the value of their baby. 

I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. And Me, Lord, I am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel Center pre life podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you in pro life ministry and always were the focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt show passish, touch your heart. Use Me. Welcome back to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. Appreciate you, guys, joining us as always and as always, we hope this episode will be a blessing to you and we're going to talk about maybe a kind of unique subject. This should be coming out before Christmas, and so we're going to talk about how we can reach out to these MOMS going into the abortion center and really reach people just in general, maybe not just the MOMS and the dad's, but maybe just people in our lives, with the pro life message, and use the Christmas story as a springboard for that message. And some of you guys, maybe you're probably already doing this. You're already using it because it's in your mind. You make these connections. I mean, Gosh, Mary, a young woman who was she was not in sin, she didn't get pregnant for for her sinful lifestyle. But she was a young mother and what? Fourteen some people, right, that's what they think. Yeah, just teenager. And so she's in a, you know what the world would say, a situation where she she doesn't need to have a baby. Story UN planned by her. Yeah, unplanned pregnancy. Modern Times, people would have encouraged her to have an abortion. Sure, many people would have. And so, yeah, we're going to talk about how can you add the abortion center use that story as a springboard? Maybe it's in a oneonone conversation, maybe...

...it's in as you're calling out to them going into the abortion center. I think it's kind of along the lines of what God says, that talking point that we use what God says, right, and the humanity the baby as well. Yeah, and may be on the microphones. So we use amplified sound here and we're able to kind of broadcast more of a like a message, a general message to everyone who's maybe sitting in the cars and parking lot or inside the waiting room of the abortion center, whatever it might be. But in those contexts, how can you use the Christmas story as a springboard to share the pro life message? It is so rich and filled luke one, luke one and two, but especially luke one, just really filled with great things to call out to the women, and I do this with every holiday. I really look for at every holiday, major holiday, and think, first of all, I reckoge nice and I call out to them. What do you think you're going to think every single Christmas from this point forward? What are you going to remember? You'll remember when you were here and and what choice you meant, and that holiday is always going to be tinged with either the joy or the despair of that choice that you made. So the holidays, I think, are an effective thing for us to really focus on as they're approaching, all the holidays, but Christmas especially. Yeah, and so you know, we're just a few weeks away. What what are we now? Three weeks away from from Christmas right now. And so I've started speaking about Christmas and the messages of Christmas, but it's the holiday where you are celebrating a baby, yeah, and who started off as an unborn baby, yeah, in the womb of a vulnerable young lady. It just the parallels are perfect. Yeah, Mary's pregnancy is the world's most wellknown unplanned pregnancy. Correct, right, I'm planned accordand by her and right in the world, but not planned according to the Lord, and I'll even say that,...

...by the way, as long as we're hitting that point, that it was unplanned by her, but not by the Lord, and he definitely had a plan and a purpose. And I'll say that's true of every human life. Yeah, not. And and even today, I said now Mary was pregnant with the son of God. Odd and that's not who you're pregnant with. I want to let you all know that. Yeah, absolutely, that only happen once. However, that baby is precious to God and has a purpose before God. So go on with what you were saying. But but that's where I'll often start. Yeah, well, Chrismas, that's it is that the Christmas story, no matter how secular our society becomes and no matter how secular minded people are, the Christmas story around this season is on the forefront of people's minds. Right, and the songs that are sung, except for like Holly Jolly Christmas and some of the ones that drive me crazy, grandma under the rating. Actually, okay, I'm sorry, grandma got randy about right now that one. That's that's that's a quality class okay, but rocking around the Christmas tree. I hate it. Okay, Santa Baby, I'm kind of rabbit trailing here. I hate that. That is probably you know what's Song I'm talking about, Santa. I don't know that it is the is. It is quite possibly the worst song ever written outside of the Beatles Christmas Song. Now, I'm probably stepping on some people's toes there, but that Beatles Christmas song. I even forget the words of that's. I can't stand a try even of that one. But okay, going back to my point, h the Christmas songs will come. We'll call me Manuel. Yeah, come all you faithful. Yeah, silent night, a little town of n a little too away, in a manger. These are, or you know was. As long as we're on Christmas songs, this one makes me cry every time. Mary, did you know that's? You know that one? Yeah, did you know that, your baby boy? I mean it brings tear smies just thinking of it, because Mary did you know?...

Well, I don't know how much she knew. She treasured it in her heart, but she sure didn't know the whole story, I'm sure. Yeah, but that's true again, of every mom we face. You don't know. You don't know the whole story, yeah, of what's going to happen with that baby and what God has planned for that baby. But Anyway, okay, Beck, because the point is that this Christmas story, this unplanned pregnancy story, which, yeah, at the core of the Christmas story. That's what it is. This this unplanned pregnancy. If a young woman and of course, this child that was conceived and born in a very difficult situation becomes a redeemer of the world, that story is on the forefront of people's minds. Their women are driving to the abortion center around this season, going past manger scenes, yeah, going path we're with the radio own and hearing these songs of Jesus and the Christmas story, and so I think we would be fools not to, for lack of a better term, capitalize on that, yeah, to springboard off of that, because it's on the forefront of their minds and the fact is they're going to remember this season if they go through with an abortion. They're going to remember what happened in December around Chris Dismas two thousand and twenty one. And you know, I know women that have had abortions in the past. Years and years and years ago. They remember those abortions, but especially when they can really put a marker in time. That was around Christmas, and just looking back to that, I mean that's that's a reality. And so, you know, I think we'd be fools not to capitalize on that, springboard off of that, yeah, and to encourage these women to help save them from the destruction that abortion brings, to step out boldly, to use Mary as an example of a young woman who was scared, pregnant in a world that was really against her and not really very helpful to her. But yet she stood firm and stood strong. Yeah, because she did, in the sight of God, what was the...

...right thing to do. And so springboard off that encourage these women to do the same, I think is a very powerful way to help them to it is. That's less number one for all of you listening. Don't neglect the the this gift of the Christmas story. Yeah, to be able to talk to the women, I go all the way back to when I'm starting to talk about the Christmas story with without at the abortion center. I go back to Elizabeth, who in Luke One Elizabeth is Mary's cousin. She and her husband, Sechariah, cannot have any children. She's barren. It great disgrace and sorrow in in her eyes. And and you know, the angel comes to John and and or, I'm sorry, comes to Zechariah and says your wife is going to bear a child and and he's going to be John The baptist. Yeah, but but like some of the things that he is told, that Zachariah is told of what, what is going to happen with this baby? One of them that I honestly don't recall ever really grasping the magnitude of what this means is in verse fifteen when he says, for he will be great in the side of the Lord, he would drink no wine or liquor. He's talking now about baby liquor. When version of the scriptures that head. I'm sorry, I'm probably an ASB. Okay, he will drink no wine or liquor and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit while yet in his mother's womb. Okay, that struck me like a ton of rocks. Yeah, to today. I think I read it this morning and I used it when I was speaking with the women today, because, I mean, this tells you unequivocally, while yet unborn, the Holy Spirit can enter a child, a baby in the womb. Yeah, and we're killing these...

...babies. Yeah. So to me this is one of the first powerful verses. Yeah, that that I would go to, that an unborn baby can be filled with the Holy Spirit. And then the next verse is where are a couple verses later, in verse Seventeen, where John is going to be of the forerunner, of the Messiah, and he's come, going to come in the spirit of Elijah and he's going to turn people back to the Lord. But then also, it says in verse Seventeen, to turn the hearts of the father's back to the children and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous. Yeah. So again the where are the hearts of the fathers as you're standing in front of an abortion center? Yeah, well, they're certainly often time's not for their children there, toward themselves. Yeah. Yeah, so I citing that verse and talking about the purpose, one of the purposes of John, the unborn baby. He's already being told, as father's being told, while he's yet unborn, this is his purpose. He already has been assigned a purpose by God. Yeah, another really important point. Yeah, because, like you're pointing out, in the Christmas story we certainly have the the preborn baby Jesus, but we also have preborn baby John in the womb, this forerunner of Jesus. This is really if you want to look at the scripture with the scripture has to say a about unborn children, the Christmas story is the best place to look. I think. I mean all through the Bible, you see God gives value to human beings and and all of that. But even in that Luke passage, I know we pointed out this before, that were that's used for infant is breathos right, and it's the same word that use later on in Luke to apply to like infants outside the womb or even little children. So it's the same word. said the...

...unborn baby John, use the baby Jesus born breakfast. Yeah, both means baby. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So there's there's no distinction that God gives that God doesn't like we do. I say we as a society. We apply the term fetus to a preborn child and infant to a child that's been born. Right in the scriptures, in the New Testament, there's an equivalent. It's equivalent term, right, breafos, right, and so we see right there, if we get into the language of it, that's not necessarily something and I think you could in a oneone conversation with a woman going in. You could lay that truth out for her and I would encourage you, guys, if you're kind of puzzled by what I'm even talking about, dig into the Greek that is used in the gospel of Luke in particular, and the word that the Greek words that are used to talk about a baby inside the womb. Again, it's the same Greek word that's used for a baby outside the whom. Again you, I think you could break it down and share that if you got in depth with a mom going in to the abortion center and you can share that. I think it could be a powerful truth. Yeah, but more than anything, the most powerful truth of this is the redemption that God brought through that unplanned pregnancy. And I'll say that often times Mary had an unplanned I do use air quotes because it was not unplanned according to God. It's a matter of fact. There are no unplanned pregnancies according to God. Right, he knows the infant beginny. Yeah, but according to US and according to our thinking, that was unplanned. And yet God brought redemption out of that situation. And so many of these women going into the abortion center they're scared and they're thinking, how could any good come out of this situation? God brought good out of that situation, the greatest good ever. The son of God came to this earth, lived a sinless life, ultimately healed the sick and raise the dead, died for the sins of the world and then was rose from the grave. Now, of course their baby is not going to do those things because their baby's not the son of God. But that that awesome redemptive story came out of this unplanned...

...pregnancy. If God could do that, he could do in your life a similar thing. He could bring redemption that child. We say to the MOMS, oftentimes that child could really open your eyes to the fact that there's something more than what you're living for. I know that's what happened in my life as a father, seventeen years old when our daughter was born, and so I'll say that to the men. That was an unplanned pregnancy that God used open my eyes to the reality of there were something more the world I was living for and so I think springboarding off the Christmas story in that way is a very powerful way to help something's already on the forefront of their mind, the Christmas story, Christmas season and all that stuff, and and to kind of roll with it and share this story has application to your life right now, right, and looks. So look at your story. I know when you probably first heard that your wife was pregnant, and probably part of the overwhelming emotion that filled you was fear. Yeah, right, yeah, and of course she was not my wife at that time. No, that's right. I've shared my story before. So you guys hopefully no, but yeah, we were high school sweethearts. She was fifteen, I was seventeen when she got pregnant, and that's young. That, that's young. That's scary. So so I'm sure you were filled with terror, probably terror. My life is over, right, and you've shared that before. Well, again, here's another, I think, really critical parallel between Mary and as she as the angels telling her, guess what, you're going to have the sun, a God your we're I'm gonna be you know, you're going to be impregnated and by the spirit of God. And Yeah, anyway, the angel says to her do not be afraid. Yeah, so the angel wouldn't have needed to say that if Mary had been, you know, boldly saying confidently, well, yeah, I can do this, no problem. That's probably not. Her emotion must have been one of fear. Naturally, that is just what any fifteen year old, fourteenyear old, would experience when they're told...

...that you're about to have a baby. That and and she's she's in shock, she's obviously scared. And the angel in the Christmas story, the Angel Comes, I. I don't know if it's Gabriel each time, but four different times the angel comes to four different groups or people, and the word every time that the angel says is do not be afraid, or fear not. And you think about MOMS coming to an abortion center. Without a doubt, fear is fueling their decisions and fear muddies your rational mind and and takes over so that you make stupid choices. Yeah, so the angel points out to marry, as I think we need to point out to these MOMS, don't let fear be what rules you. Yeah, let me tell you what is going to happen. What that there is a planet and a purpose for this incredible child. Yeah, and God is with you. In fact, that's what Emmanuel means, is God is with us. And Mary is told that she has found favor with God. And but but the angel lays out that there is a purpose and I think in general terms we can lay out to these women don't be afraid, don't let fear rule you right now. And there is an unbelievable purpose her, for this child in your well, we don't know what it is, but you'll never know what it is if you take that child's life today. Yeah, yeah, talking about Mary's fear. Yeah, she had, I mean not just because she was going to be a young woman that was pregnant, but she had a lot to be afraid of in her day and age, right. I mean you think people are marginalized now who are pregnant outside of marriage, in those days, if you're pregnant outside of marriage, not only could you be marginalized and rejected by your community, but you could also be stone to death, right, and she definitely was in danger that because she's not married to Joseph, but she...

...is engaged to him and in that time period and engagement was the same in terms of the commitment yeah, and so, in the eyes of the people, she would have committed adultery. Yeah, against Joseph and and yeah, the penalty was her adopteus. She Sven stoned to death, been stone today. Beyond that, of course, she had the rejection of society. Like you didn't get pregnant outside of marriage in those days. Right, this is not a common thing. Right, and so she had that. She had obviously she had to try to explain this situation. However, by God's grace and mercy, the Lord sent an angel to explain that situation to the most important person in the scenario, which was Joseph. And he was a righteous man and he did the right thing, which, unfortunately, is not the case for many of the the men that get these women pregnant of the abortion centers are not righteous. Right, and this is where the parallel does yeah, it doesn't act. Obviously she these are not righteous women that are going to kill their baby and they're not righteous men. Yeah, but a lot of the emotions that they're experiencing, definitely, I think you can be paid. Absolutely, yeah, and in God's a redeemer. Yeah, I think we always need to bring the story back around the Christmas store back around to the point that God's a redeemer and God can redeem your situation if you trust in him. Yeah, you know, I think talking about you know, talking about families, some of the things I'll often say is you're going to be around the Christmas tree with your family? Are you going to be around the Christmas table, sharing with your family but hiding this secret right that you're carrying with you? Yeah, now, on the flip side of that, if you continue this pregnancy, obviously there's going to be you're gonna have to share that you're pregnant. That's going to come out. But how much more, if you trust the Lord and do what he says and what honors him, will he help bring peace in the midst of that situation in this season?...

Then, if you were to take matters in your own hands and have to explain to your family, because it may come out, yeah, that you've had an abortion, like man that's in again around this season. How how, how dark and how devastating is that to a young lady? Yeah, I love that you use that word peace. That was one of the things I talked about today because you know, you can very legitimately make the point to the women at an abortion center that they are not feeling peace. I guarantee they're not. And yet here we are in a season that celebrates peace on earth. Well, you can't have peace when you are in direct rebellion against God. But that peace is available, yeah, when you turn back to him and turn to him. Yeah, I think of the I share often times. It's from the gospel of Luke, the proclamation of the angels when they come in the field there they know. They were shepherds watching over their flocks by night. We know the story right. And then the angel comes, or the angels come in appear and say peace on Earth, goodwill toward men, like God wants to bring peace. God has a good will, and I will share this with the women and with the men, that you think that right now God doesn't know what he's doing because you're pregnant. Like God, why did you allow this? Yeah, but you have to trust that God has a good will towards you. God ultimately has a good will toward all of you, manity. He wants good for us, even in the midst of our sin. That's what Jesus came to redeem lost human beings. So let's put our trust in God's good will toward man, peace on earth, good will toward men. Let's put our trust in him rather than in things like abortion and which don't bring peace and don't have a good will. All the will that Plant parenthood or the abortion industry has toward these women and toward these babies is a dollar sign right. They don't have a good desire, they are ultimately trying to make money, but God does have a good will toward them. So kind of contrasting that and helping them...

...to see through the Christmas story, God has their best in mind, even in the midst of a very difficult situation, and I love how you kind of give this summary of the Christmas story and then help them to your painting a vision for them. I think in a lot of a lot of how you and I think that's true of your nature in general, and what I often will do is go back to like some of the specifics that I see a different approach. I love your vision painting. I think it's really really important and beautiful. But one of the things again, that that I think is really fascinating in the story about Elizabeth and Mary and they as they're bearing these unborn children that are going to change the world, Baby John and and baby Jesus. And Mary goes to visit Elizabeth for I think three months. She stays with her cousin and it says that when, when Elizabeth, when Mary enters the room, Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit. In Verse Forty Four says for behold, when the sound of your reading reached my ears, the baby leaped in my womb for joy. I will talk about that a lot again because I'm thinking about one of our key talking points, of our three talking points, is humanity of the baby, and here's a unborn baby that's described as leaping for joy. Yeah, in the womb. So it shows showing the humanity of that unborn child. I think that's amazing. But another thing that I will say and that I think is expressed in this verse is really the the first one to greet Jesus was an unborn baby, this unborn baby greeting, leaping for joy, the unborn baby Jesus, knowing the presence of the unborn baby Jesus. So it's the unborn meeting the or died.

Mean they didn't, I guess, technically meet. There was a womb between them the skin, but, but, but, but, you get my pointully, some kind of connection going on there. There was a connection that that baby knew that this was his Lord coming in into the room and thereby, according to the scripture, humanizing the baby in the womb is not just a blob of tissue or clumb of sales, but a human being that's capable of, like you said, being full of the Holy Spirit. Yeah, capable of responding to a spiritual experience here with the son of God being in the same room. Yeah, and a baby leaping in the womb. One of the prayers that we often pray in love life, as we're doing our when our journeys with pastors, bringing them out to the abortion center, having them pray in front of the abortion center, or we're bringing our prayer groups out, is we pray specifically, just like John Leapt in Elizabeth's womb, we pray that those babies would leap in their mother's womb. And we've actually had a story not too long ago, is couple of months ago, where a young lady was inside the abortion center and she was on the the table, not the operating table, but she was on the table get an ultra sound and if you remember the story, but she felt her baby. I think she was eighteen weeks or something. He was still within the range of being able to have the abortion and she felt her baby. That was the first, first time. Yeah, she felt her baby was inside the womb, inside of the abortion center, right, and she came out ended, up coming on board the MOBILTRA sound unit, chose life. Yeah, and so that was an answer to prayer and it's kind of like this is what we pray about. Yeah, and this is that again, that Christmas story, and here it comes to life in a sense, right in front of us. Yeah, and it's amazing just how God uses that, that that prayer out of that story. Yeah, it's so beautiful. And and that picture of the unborn baby John Leaping in the womb for joy as the unborn baby Jesus enters the room with his you know, inside of his mother Mary, I think points to a very basic, important truth that God is pointing out the value of the unborn. I mean at its most basic level.

If you think about the Christmas story, Jesus could have come to earth in any form, didn't even need to be human. But but let's say he'd God, for very good reason, sends him as a human being. He didn't need to come as an unborn yeah, child, he could have comment, but I don't know, right at birth, if that was the point at which humanity matters. He could have come as a thirty year old or even as a twenty year old and he could have had all those more years of maybe ministry if he comes fully formed and God has already fed into him in his growing up period. But he comes as an unborn baby. Yeah, and I think that is an amazing point. And to point that out to women. God, our creator, our Savior, the savior of the world, came as an unborn baby. What does that say about God's valuing of the unborn? Yeah, and of when life begins? Yeah, yeah. I won't dig too deep in to this because it's not your point, but I will say that Jesus did have to come as a human being. MMM. But I will agree with your point that he could have come as a full grown human being, could have come as a right toddler or whatever. Yeah, but to save human beings he had to come as a human being and we see that in the Christmas story and that's that's the amazing reality, and that's why I love the Christmas songs that talk about Jesus again. Oh come, oh come, Emmanuel. I mean, guys, I Woan't encourage you through this seasons. Actually listen to the songs. Yeah, because there's so much depth to them. Joy to the world. Listen to the words of that song. He came to make his blessings known far as the curses found. It's talking about the curse of sin and Jesus coming to make his blessings on my word. In that right, I think I'm learning.

I kind of you know, as we are seeing those verses. Yeah, which is kind of sad. We only sing the main important we first, like your first and forth or whatever. Yeah, but listen to the songs as as they're being play I'll tell you also, maybe this is for you guys to if you haven't heard this song before, it's a powerful song and it's kind of a modern song, though it's from casting crowns and Gosh, what's the name of the song? I'm want to look up the name of the song, but it is so powerful because they talked about in that particular song about how we've embraced the philosophy of Save the trees and kill the children. You're that song. If I do, I'm blanking on it. Yeah, it's good. I'M gonna before we're done with this episode, I'm going to share that. That's a powerful song. Yeah, but I'm just want to encourage you guys, as you're kind of going through the Christmas season. Don't let these, the power of these songs and the depth that's in these songs, in the depth of the reality of what took place when Jesus came into this world, slip through your fingers and get lost in all the you know, Santa Claus and gingerbread and sprawls, the snow man and all that stuff, and Miss Jesus in the midst of it. Certainly we don't want these women to Miss Jesus, but let us also not Miss Jesus. And the name of the song. I just looked it up, okay, as I was, yeah, talking. It's called why you were while you were sleeping. Oh, it's so powerful. You should have let's do it when we leave today from recording this. Why should listen to it, while I'll use sleep, while you were sleepy. Yes, it's so good, so powerful. Yeah, but yeah, these songs again, these songs are on the forefront of these women's minds to they're listening to them, probably has they're going to the abortions and they're probably not thinking of the true meaning of those words. And if you point them out, you know, listen to this phrase from this song and then you read these verses from especially Luke. I just happen to really loved Luke. But pointing out God's love of the...

...unborn, which is so clear. Yeah, and yeah, in the Christmas story, I think it it can make a powerful impact on these women. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, another thing I want to mention that I thought was pretty cool we've actually done in the past and we're actually going to wrap up here in just a minute. Okay, is Christmas carely? Yeah, it's kind of weird, you think, singing Christmas songs in front of the abortion center, and not every scenario lends itself to that. I don't think out here at Latrobe is probably the best place to do it with these crazy pro abortion people, but I know some of our team in New York. I'd seen some things where they were doing Christmas carol singing Christmas carols in front of the abortion center. Yeah, and I think we have to do it, obviously with with a somberness, you know, a seriousness there, right, but I do think maybe you have the ability to play Christmas songs on some kind of amplified sound as long as it doesn't drowned out your voices and you can still be heard playing some of these Christmas songs over a sound system. Singing Christmas carols, could really, really awaken the conscience of some of these women going into the abortion center because these songs in this Christmas story is so powerful, it's so redemptive, and so will encourage you, guys. I don't want to I don't want to encourage you to manipulate. We're not talking about manipulation. We're talking about springboarding off of this reality that's on the forefront of people's minds to help speak the truth and save lives. Well, we're Gospel centered pro life ministry and that's what this podcast is all about, as using the Gospel. And this is the Gospel, this is this is the story of the birth of Our Lord and save here and the faith of some really wonderful characters, and I think we we need to to use these powerful verses to help women to really think about the parallel between their own situation and their own baby and God's plan and purpose. Yeah, and then Mary and her baby and his glorious plan and purpose. Yeah, Amen. Amen.

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