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Gospel-Centered Pro-Life Podcast

Episode 129 · 2 weeks ago

Counter Intuitive Things We Have Learned

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Over the years in being involved in sidewalk ministry we’ve had some experiences that taught us that what we previously believed was incorrect. In this episode we want to share a few of those things and offer some encouragement and Biblical insights to help equip you.

I think this, as far asour tone can really be a manifestation of what's in our hearts. And soif you show up at the abortion center on a consistent basis and you've gotan angry tone, you've got an accusatory tone, I think it's time toget in the presence of the Lord and see if there's some things in myheart, Lord that I need to get right with you. I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, and me, Lord, I amyours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel Center Pro LifePodcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you in pro lifeministry and always were the focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned. I feltshow passish, touch your heart. Use Me. Welcome back to the Gospelcentered pro life podcast. Appreciate you guys joining us and this is being recordedin two thousand and twenty one, actually the ladder days, the latter daysof two thousand and twenty one, but should come out in the early daysof two thousand and twenty two. So we hope that you guys had ablessed Christmas. Hope you guys had a blessed New Year and we hope thatthis podcast episode will be an encouragement to you as we speak from some experiences, some of the things that we've learned. And that's going to be the titleof this maybe maybe I'll twee the title a bit before I put itout there, but this is kind of the title we're rolling with as we'rerecording this. counterintuitive things we have learned, right, and we may need tobreak down what that means, because I don't really know what the wordcounterintuitive means. Oh dear, okay, well, we'll try and educate everybodythat. Yeah, actually, not just Daniel. Yeah, I'm not asdumb as some people think. It's that don't know what that means. Sowe're going to talk about some of the things that we've learned over the years, some of the things counterintuitively, some of the things you think, hmm, maybe you should do this, maybe you should do that, but youfind actually that's not very productive. It's counter productive right, and so thingsthat you would think are one way we're thinking. We've learned those things area little different. So some of these points are going to be counterintuitive andsome of them maybe you're going to just be common sense. For you.Right, but it's things that we learned nonetheless, and we hope that,rather than making your own mistakes on the sidewalk, you can let us makethem for you and you can learn learn from us. What do you thinkabout that? I think it's good. In fact, the first point thatwe're going to make as a mistake that I made, I think, justa few days ago. I've been out here for nine years. So sometimeswe don't learn from our Vicki, I don't make mistakes, they're just happyaccidents. Oh, okay, yes, that's what. What's the gay?The painter with the Oh, with the big Afro? Yeah, I canI remember his name. I don't remember...

...it. Bob Something. See,then, this is how sm where we are. And he said you justmake happy accidents. So okay, yeah, let's lead to it. So we'llturn some of our happy accidents, some of our mistakes, into teachingmoments for all of you guys. That's right. And you guys can maybeshoot me an email and let me know what that guy's name is. WhoI should know absolutely. It is what I'm in. It's Bob someone.Yeah, it is, but I can't think of it right now. Somaybe by the end of this episode I'll just chime in and say this isthe guys name. Me and my kids used to watch that guy together.I used to watch him. Anyway, that's not what this podcast is about. It's about sidewalk ministrying. So let's go through. What are some ofthe counterintuitive things that we've learned, or maybe some of the common sense thingsthat we've learned over the years that we feel like would help and encourage peoplethat are involved in this ministry. Yeah, well, I'll tell you the littlestory that led to the first point that we're going to make, whichis that the importance of timing is critical. Yeah, speaking to Tommy. Ohwhat Bob Ross? But yes, yeah, that's the guys name.Okay, you're absolutely correct about my timing. Could have been better on that,because you're trying to make a point here and I just chimmed in forsomething that has nothing to do with what you're saying. Yeah, so itwas the right thing, but at the wrong time, which is exactly whichis exactly the point. So the little story is a person stopped car side, in fact two in a row stopped car side up the street, whichdoesn't happen all that often, but it was my lucky day and both ofthem were willing to engage, at least for a little while. Yeah,and the first one, I talked with her for a little while and thenit felt like it was time to say, what would God have you do?And at that moment she nudged her boyfriend in the side and say getout of here. Yeah, and and drove it into the abortion center.You would think I would have learned after after that. But then the nextcar comes along and the very different. That woman was already crying. Shepulled over, she wouldn't look at me. She was with another woman and she'slooking straight ahead and she's obviously very upset. I just said, look, you don't want to do this. It's very clear that you don't wantto do this, and she was listening and I started telling about our resourcesand, in my defense, at that moment one of the pro abortion peoplecame running over, screaming at her to drive in on into the abortion center, and you could tell she was like getting tense, getting plustered, andso kind of as a last resort, because I thought I'm going to loseher anyway. She's about to drive away because of this pro abortion person tellingher to do so. So I said again, what would I asked?I had already asked her, do you believe in the Lord? She nodded, and then I said, well, what would God have you do?As the PROPORT is standing there screaming at...

...her, and she she looked likeshe was about to choke back really choke back sobs and then drove forward andI saw her slow down. I thought she was going to keep going andshe ended up turning into the abortion center. So I just really I don't beatmyself up. I realized that the Holy Spirit needs to do his thingand and I do my thing, which is obedient to his call, andI do my best at the moment. But I do analyze in both thosecases, should I have held off? It was the timing of that statementnot quite the right time? Should I have paused, told more about theresources, talked more about the grief that, especially with the second one, right, that she was clearly feeling. And so the the first thing iswe all need to be aware of the timing. You can say the rightthing at the wrong time and have it be counter productive. Yeah, yeah, I know. Just for you guys listening. I do want to stronglydiscourage you from walking on eggshells and always being fearful that you're going to saythe wrong thing at the wrong time. Right, to speak God's word andreally to put the results in God's hands is what we've always taught you,guys, what we've always encourage you speak the truth of God's word, putthe results in God's hands. However, there there is timing. They're inevery situation can be different too. So that's why I'm you know, I'mnot going to give you. We're not going to be able to give you. Here's the perfect time to say this. Here's a perfect time to say that. I think probably more than anything, just knowing that timing does matter.Right as that, if you're you're in the kind of the chain ofa conversation, stringing one thought to another, thought to another thought, that it'sreally best for us to hold back those kind of stinging statements for kindof the very last yeah, I think that's probably timing. There's a scripturehere that comes to mind. I quote it off and actually, you guys, if you've listened to this podcast or an amount of time, you've probablyheard me quote this so proverbs twenty seven, verse fourteen, he who blesses hisfriend with a loud voice, rising early in the morning, it willbe counted a curse to him. So it's talking about the blessing, likeyou want to bless your friend. It's like going to your friend's house atfour o'clock in the morning, I love you, you're my best friend,and with all the love that you have for your friend in your heart,saying this loudly early in the morning. So the loud voice, the timing, early in the morning, Oh that's not that's a no Goo for yourfriend. He's going to receive it as a curse. You're cursing him actually, even though your intentions are well and so I think again, rather thanjust walking on eggshells and always being fearful, because this is one of the thingsthat keeps people from the sidewalk is they're afraid they're going to say thewrong thing or something. So we don't want any of that. But Ithink what we do, would encourage you...

...guys to be doing, is toanalyze, like if you say something and it has a particular effect, let'slet's say you say, what would God have you to do? And yousee a consistent pattern of it just shuts the conversation down, then it's probablygood to reassess should I be saying that particular thing at that time. Yeah, I do think that's a good statement. I do think what we gotta haveyou to do. To me, it's it's, in my mind atleast, one of those statements that kind of last minute before they're going intothe door of the abortion center, that I'm going to give out what wouldGod have you to do, because it will hopefully provoke in them the faultof really what God have be doing by doing what honors the Lord in thosecar side scenarios. For me personally, I want to try to be asrelational as possible. I want to be as much of obviously bringing God intothe conversation right off the bat. This idea that we don't mention God,we don't mention religion or Jesus until like the very last is absurd. Okay, we should mention Jesus. He's on the forefront of their minds. We'retalking what they're already thinking, because even if they don't believe in God,they're still thinking about what God really wants them to do. Yeah, butmaking it more relational rather than just because in reality that statement is more ofan accusation than it is really a question. That question is really a statement ofaccusation that it really is a question, although we hope that it provokes thoughtand a response, not just to US really, but to themselves,between them and God, you know. Yeah, so again, don't wantyou guys to be fearful of saying the wrong thing, but just reflective ofwhat could be, as far as timing is concerned, the right time tosay whatever it might be. Yeah, yeah, and actually our second point, which is about adoption. Most of these points are things that we hearfrom New People and frequently they'll say, do you ever talk about adoption?Yeah, Oh gee, we never thought of it. Wow, because Ibad you came along and mention that, because we never thought about talking aboutadoption. But overwhelmingly the timing of when you mentioned adoption. It's not thatwe never mentioned it, but it is a it's a conversation shopper, especiallyif it's early on in the conversation, if you have exhausted everything and they'vesaid, I did have one mom who we came to this point and shejust said, I just don't want this baby, I cannot parent this baby. Yeah, well then, I then I brought up adoption. It wasstill an no. She didn't take me up on it so at all.And and I don't know that I can remember even a single person ever thatI know of that I've personally counseled who has chosen adoption. Yeah, so, knowing that the timing and the mentioning of adoption is usually a conversation stopher dead. Matter of fact, if you want one thing that would stopyour conversation dead in its tracks for the most part, then mention adoption rightbecause most of the time that's going to...

...just shut the conversation down, especially, I know, within the black community, and we talked about this with Jessicamlin, who runs option, adoption, adoption resource. In the black community, adoption is stigmatized in a lot of ways. Hey, and in manycommunities, not just the black community but many communities just in general, adoptionand foster care are equated with one another. It's like you're saying the same thing. That's what they hear. Now, obviously we know that falster care andadoption or two different things, and we know the differences. But formany of these women you got to think again, in the mindset of ayoung lady who's scared and got all this chaos going on our life for herto do really in her mind break down the differences. And you try tobreak down the differences and all this stuff. It's just it's not it's not arealistic scenario that you're going to be able to break all that down.They're going to be able to pass through all of the differences between falster careand adoption and all that stuff. And somebody asked me this is a whileback because I talked about how we don't mention adoption. You know, whenthe new people come out, first thing they say you guys, you've everthought of mention an adoption offering to adopt their baby? It's like, Ohyeah, he said, but you came along, we never thought of coursewe thought of that, right, but we don't mention that because it's aconversation stopper and you know you're asking. This is kind of the way Iexplained it to this one person who said won't you mention adoption? Is You'rereally asking someone who's going into a place, a mother, the about to doone of the most selfish things she could possibly do to protect herself.Right, all right, by killing her baby. You know, are quotes. Protect herself. That's the mentality a lot of times to handle her situation, to take care of her, to do you. You know she's she'sgoing in to take care of herself. Look out for number one, oneof the most selfish things you could do, abortion. And you're asking her togo from that, from abortion, one of the most selfish things youcan do, to one of the most selfless things a mom could do,which is place her baby with another family that could take care of her child, and she can't. That's one of those selfless things that a mother cando. Yeah, and you're asking her to go from zero to a thousand, and so it's it's a no go a lot of times. Yeah,also, I will say, develop a relationship, and sometimes that has happenedwhere I remember counseling a woman for months and at the she's almost ready togive birth and at that point she was ready to hear about adoption, interestinglyenough, although once the baby was born, she immediately changed back to know shewould parent the child. Yeah, which happens a lot. It does, which I will say, and this is you guys, go back andlisten to the episode that we did with Jessica Maulan where she talked about this. I think it's a very important episode, yeah, for everyone to listen to, because I've seen people in front of the abortion centers yelling will adoptyour baby, will adopt your baby, and they're like wondering why no one'staking them up on that offer. Right, it's because, again, that kindof whole selfishness, selflessness scenario. And then I will say to again, with that stigma about adoption and foster...

...care within the black community and especiallyat Latrobe, the abortion centers in Charlotte, most of the women that go inour African American most are black women. And when you're out there, uppermiddle class white person yelling out to a young lady who's black, whoyou know is really looking at you, is here this upple minute upper middleclass white person telling them when you say I'll adopt your baby, you're basicallysaying, Hey, young black lady, you can't take care of your kid, let me, a rich white person, take care your guys. Like,how's that sound? Right? That's not what we imply yeah, buta lot of time that's what's being heard and we need to understand that.Yeah, and so really, if we are mentioning an option, it's goingto be at the tail end of the conversation. It's going to be whenall almost they're convinced that abortion is the wrong thing, but they don't reallysee any other option. They really can't pair at the child. When theycan't pair that child, obviously adoption should be an option for them. Right. Yeah, there's ways to do it. There's ministries option adoption is one ofthose that we connect with that can help make that connection. But somethingwe've learned is that it's definitely not a conversation starter, it's a conversation stopper. Yeah, for sure that. The next point is that your tone matters, and in that that verse that you quoted that really talks about that,because he's spoken a loud voice. Now, I guess loud isn't necessarily tone,but it can be. Yeah, but if you've got an angry,bitter, loud, nasty tone, it again you. This is not goingto draw people to you. So if you have self righteous anchor in yourheart, as you are, as you're calling out to the women, thenthat's going to be communicated. That's what they're going to here and they arenot going to come and talk to you. So you again, you can saythe right thing, not only at the wrong time, but also inwith the wrong tone. Yeah, and if you say the right thing withthe wrong tone, they don't hear the right thing. What they connect withthis the tone. Yeah, absolutely. You can talk about how how badabortion is, you can talk about you can talk about the resources that areavailable and do it in an angry, accusatory tone. Tone, you couldsay something like we have resources available for you and you think about that.Why don't you just come and talk with that? Yeah, everything you needto think about. We have resources available for you once you's come and talkto us. How does that sound? Versus we have resources available for you, would you please just come and talk to us? Like that's more inviting. Right, one tone. I mean just think about just the inflection,just the tone itself. Sounded accusatory. Yeah, when I change it alittle bit, same words, it sounded more inviting. Yeah, it's ourtone. Yeah, can set the tone, even an angry tone. We wouldcome across as I mean you can say, yeah, say something likethis, young lady. Abortion is murder. It destroyed is the life of yourbaby. Like that sounds to me,...

...you tell me, like a lovingway to say you're about to murder your kid. It's giving a pleading, pleading voice, speaking the truth. Yes, opposed to yeah, Imean, if I were to say, and Letty, abortion is murder,why don't you just come and talk to us, you know, it's likeyeah, there's like an accusatory tone. Yeah, same words, but thetone and inflection in your voice can mean a lot. Yeah, now Ithink again, not. We don't want you guys walking on eggshells, alwaysafraid you're going to use the wrong tone. But just being conscious of that,I think our tone actually, you know, Jesus said from the depthsof the heart, the mouth speaks. If we show up at the abortioncenter thinking that we're better than them and that we got it all together andwe need to set them straight, that we're the children of God and they'rethe wicked, and we show up with this attitude of somehow we're better thanthem rather than an attitude of humility before the Lord, then that will comeacross in our tone. That's my so important. That we ourselves be beforethe Lord in prayer, that we are seeking God, that we see thetruth of who we are in the side of a holy God, and also, of course, we experience his mercy, his kindness toward us, then we'reable to come with mercy and kindness toward others. So I think this, as far as our tone can really be a manifestation of what's in ourhearts. And so if you show about the abortion center on a consistent basisand you get an angry tone, you've got an accusatory tone. I thinkit's time to get in the presence of the Lord and see other's some thingsin my heart, Lord, that I need to get right with you.I so agree with that. That kind of makes me a little Trie Ei'dbecause this very morning I was walking along at praying, as I always doon mornings. I actually didn't come to sidewalk, but I thought I would. And and I was remember marine my own abortion past and feeling very weepy, and and and was then thinking I'm grateful to God that he does bringthat back, because what it does is it reminds me that I have thatin my past. Yeah, and and so the people that I am counselingand calling out to, I can approach them with more compassion. I wasthanking God, saying I think this gives me compassion, this ability, muchas I don't want to remember it, it does give me the ability tobe more compassionate and Hind in kind in my tone. Yeah, you thinkabout the story Jesus gives, and I'm a probably slaughter the story, butyou guys know it, where Jesus is talking about two men that went tothe temple. One was weeping, wailing and right repenting before the for theLord. I'm a sinner, don't deserve your mercy, and one is,one was a Publican and one was the Pharisee, or one of the religiousguy. It's like he the religious gay. The pharisee praised God. I thankyou that I'm not like this,...

...this tax collector, as this guy. Yeah, and I thank you that I'm righteous. And it's like whichone of these is justified? It's the one whose heart was broken before theLord. I. We need to have a heart broken before the Lord forthe women. But also even today, like one of the pro boorts cameup to me and just said something that was I mean she didn't mean itto be really she didn't mean it to show what was in her heart.I'm not going to go through all what it was because these people are whackedout, so I'm not going to give a more airtime than they need.But it actually broke my heart the way she said it. There was almostlike this from her perspective, there was this kind of built into the world, this this need to always like, I don't know, just wish Icould spell it out a little more, but explain herself in such a waylike I actually have goodness to find her actions being out there in a way. Not that if I could break the story out a little more than Iwould, but I can't do that. But reality is like what was seenin the story that she was telling, and what she was saying is thatshe's always paranoid of people doing evil to her, like what a terrible lifeto live, and I remember living that life. I remember when I wasin sane living in rebellion to God none. I couldn't trust any of my friendsand still from you. That's stab you in the back, and that'skind of what she was speaking from, just this idea of you can't trustanybody. Yeah, like, man, what a heartbreaking world to live in, right, and US almost are weeping's done out there on and on thesidewalk. Yeah, because of this kind of just I don't know, myheart was was broken, not because I'm so great or anything, but Ijust realized the world I came from. Yeah, and so I guess thisis kind of going a little long on this point that your tone matters,but really from the depths of the heart of the mouth speaks. And ifour heart is broken, in our heart is a heart of humility and compassion, because we see what God has brought us from, then that's going tocome out of our mouths. Right. So yeah, more than anything,just just keep that in mind. Yeah, and and that goes along with ournext point about righteous anger rarely helps the situation there. there. Certainlyit's a place for righteous anger out there. What's happening there is a horrific affrontto a holy God and rebellion, but it almost never draws people tous. And if our goal is to have them their hearts change towards Godand towards those babies, than usually the counterintuitive way to deal with them iswith mercy grace and love. Yeah, even in the midst of their angerand even in the midst of their nastiness towards us, which we do see. And again, that's not a natural response. That it's not a naturalhuman response to respond to people being angry with you or persecute your whatever,to respond with love. Yeah, but I think that that is the moreeffective way, yeah, to respond out there. Yeah, I mean Ithink there's listen, to be angry is...

...to be human, yeah, andalso to be angry in a lot of ways is to be righteous. Yeah, Jesus got angry right. Yeah, it's righteous to be angry with wickednessgoing on. That's that's true. Yeah, but also the Bible says the angerof Man Does Not work the righteousness of God. So you can havethis righteous anger and indignation toward the wickedness that goes on out there. Youcan have it without it manifesting itself in an angry tone and an angry voiceand an angry facial expression. Yeah, you can yield that stuff to theLord. And, given this volatile situation that being at an abortion center isa lot of times it's hard for you to discern whether or not the angerthat you're feeling is righteous anger or carnal anger? Yeah, so let's justput anger on the shelf while we're out there as best we can and letthe Lord through us. If God wants to deal with them in an angryway, let him. He can do that in a righteous way every time. God's anger is always righteous, right. God never manifests his anger in anunrageous and unrighteous way. Sadly, often times, our anger that wewant to sanitize and calls will call it righteous anger, but in reality it'shis carnal anger. Yeah, it's not always righteous. Right, our angeris oftentimes unrighteous. Anger's this anger of the flesh. So I kind oftry to take the posture of putting anger on the shelf. Yeah, whileI'm out there, let God do the angry stuff. Right, let himdeal with him his wrath, and I'll do you're speaking the truth of God, Confronting Evil in a gracious way. So yeah, that's what I wouldsay on that point and prevent hopefully prevented it escalating. Yeah, being reallygood listeners, even though the reason sometimes that you hear for why they're thereare just, frankly, stupid. Oh yeah, they're they're stupid, they'rewrong, they're right, evil, wicked. But you still need to listen,and I think the the hard discernment comes in with Listen Long enough toso that they feel heard. Yeah, but not so long that you're allowingthem to rationalize and justify what they're about to do. That's a fine balancethat I think comes with experience. But along the same lines, smiling,kindness and offering help literally to murderers, people who are intending to murder,is not I think the net are natural way that we would want to respondto someone that we feel is doing something, that we know is doing something thatis so awful. Yeah, but again, if they feel that youreally do care and you're showing that in your demeanor, in your words,in your tone, it's more likely to bring them to speak to you.Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean the reality is we have to knowledgethat there is a lot of confusion.

There's a lot of confusion in society, right, and there's a lot of confusion, confusion in the lives ofthese women. Do they know that they're murdering their child? Many do,right, but there is so much demonic confusion, so much relational confusion,with family members, their boyfriend, friends telling them they should have bore,one friend tell him they shouldn't, all aunt telling them they should, theirmom saying you should. You know, all of these things that are spokenpeople their pastor telling them that God's okay with it or what you know,all these things, all these voices speaking into their lives, are so muchconfusion there. Yeah, and so do they know they're murdering? Yes,but it's been covered up and it's been all these other voices as have drownedout the voice of truth. So for us just to go out there angry, just with a smirk on our face and just letting them all have it, telling them all they're going to burn in hell, that might be Imean you could justify that biblically, yeah, but is that going to be theeffective way to do it and is that going to be the godhonoring wayto do it? I don't think so. Yeah, it hasn't been my experiencethat it's ever effective right. Using the word murderer, I think,is again a showstopper that just going to run away from us. Offering thoughprayer, sometimes even to the most stony faced, angry people who have saidI don't believe in God, I don't want to hear anything about your God. And I have had or seen people just completely turn around with a reallyheartfelt, sincere prayer and I have not had many say no, please don'tpray for me if I offer prayer. But recently this, this did happenjust this past week on when someone was on the mobile ultrasound unit and shejust was flat affect, wasn't wasn't responding to anything, even seeing her babyon the ultrasound screen. But at the very end she actually said to me, are you going to pray? And I thought at first she was mockingme. Yeah, but I said sure and I started praying and she startedcrying. It was the first show of emotion I had seen. So Ithink I've heard you say this before, Daniel, that somewhere in all ofour hearts we all know God, we know he's there, we know he'sreal. That's certainly what the Bible says. All Creation Declares his glory. Yeah, so that none are without excuse. So don't be afraid to offer asincere prayer. Yeah, and and sometimes I can open doors totally unexpectedly. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, one of my favorites on our pointsthat we mention is don't give up and persistence, persistence, Pace.Sometimes you feel like you're knacking. I excel in this area, as youknow. Yes, you have what I call a NAG anointing. That iscorrect. If I ask you those you are listening to this podcast and youknow me. If I ask you to do something and I'm going to askyou to do something, that's you. You helpful to the ministry or whatever. If you don't do that thing,...

...that I will unleash Vickio and yourweel see, will have you doing it. She has a Nag annointing, Ido, and as so. I had actually a suicidal woman that,through a series of text I thought literally was dead. She had done it, she'd committed suicide, and through the words of a friend, I endedup connecting with the police, who checked on her. She turned out tobe alive and she hadn't been the one that it texted me that she wasdead. Anyway, I just continued to to persist in that she needed toget help. Yeah, she needed to talk with a suicide hotline. Yeah, and and that, and I continue to text her every single day andshe has come around to the point where yesterday she actually she did finally connectwith a counselor and she thanks me for will base. Yes, Oh,yes, it's focus on the family. You'll do suicide counseling and and Christiancounseling and we'll connect them with local resources. That's what I wanted to happen,was for her to be connected with the local resource. And she keptsaying it'll do no good, it'll do no good, and I just wouldnot stop nagging her. And and there is a scripture that I cling tobecause of this personality traite of mine about I don't know the exact reference,but where the the woman that the judge finally grants which she persisted with itbecause of the pers is it because she just won't shut up? She won'tstop nagging? Generally, it's what that saying. And in the end thiswoman wrote a text that said I want to thank you for your persistence andI said I like that. where I like that. Are saider than letgood work. What Daniel says about me. Yeah, well, I've heard thatmore than one time. Yeah, I've heard moms that have chosen life. Yeah, I remember one young lady. This is a couple of years agothat chose life, and one of the things that she said she wentin and out of the abortion center like five times and every time she cameout and every time she went back in, back and forth to her car,someone was calling out to her. And it's kind of counterintuitive because youthink, well, after they've already went in and out a couple of times, you need to just leave them along because's just going to tick them off, right, and you're thinking, let him process it. Yeah, whichcan be the cavy right. Yeah, you led by the Holy Spirit,but for the most part someone is not going to come out of that abortioncenter and go to their car without being addressed, right, and someone's notgoing to go back to the abortion center from their car without being addressed.We're going to call out to them. I don't until they tell me tof off right or whatever. I'm gonna be persistent because I've seen it andI know what's going on. I know this fight in their mind, isin their hearts, under the Devil's coming speaking lies you, that age oldbattle between life and death. It's going on in their mind and their heart, that battle between the flesh and the spirit and you know, we allknow that battle. Yeah, that's going on. I want to tip thescale to life right, and so I'm going to keep speaking until again theytell me to blink off. I'm going...

...to keep addressing them because I've seenit break through. One thing that was said right, just was the thingthat they were looking for. They were like I've said in the past,these women are grasping for two things. They're grasping for justification to a boardand they're grasping for some reason to leave. Yeah, and maybe you being persistent, calling out every time they go in and out. Is that thatone thing that they are grasping for will be said? Yeah, and thatleads to the last point. We skipped over a few but I don't wantthis to go too long. We are going to put this bullet point listout with the podcast. But that leads to the last point that, eventhough you may not perceive it, there is always conflict, there is alwaysconflict in their heart, and know that. Speak to that and don't give uptrying to reach that, that kernel of conflict and be able to tipthe scale. The scale is it's tipping from one way to another, evenif you're not seeing that visibly on their face or their their demeanor, andso don't give up until that baby stead yeah, really. Yeah, thenotion that women come to an abortion center and that they have their mind madeup that's why they're there, is that? That's false notion. Yeah, womenare conflicted. It doesn't matter what their religious, political, whatever persuasionis. There is conflict, even a thread of conflict, if not abunch of conflict, in their hearts and then their minds, and we wantto help that conflict go in the right direction, direction of life and towardthe Lord. So right. So keep nagging, keep nagging. If don'tgive up, keep nagging being snaggingly, nicely, night nack with a correcttone, Yep, and the good time, Yep. Yeah, and Yeah,God's going to use you, guys. Hope this was an encouragement. Hopethat we taught you guys something and we hope that you will share thispodcast with others. If you have other episodes, other subjects you'd like forus to cover, you can reach out to me, Daniel at Love LifeDot Org. You reach hurt Vicky at Love Life Dot Org. Vicki witha why at the end of it. Love Life Dot Org. We loveto hear from you, but until next time, God bless cat. That'syou all. Give me our love for love. Give me our love forgratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious insome you.

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