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Is It Appropriate For Men To Minister To Abortion-minded Women?

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Some view abortion as solely a women's issue and believe that it's really not a man's place to reach out to abortion-minded women. There's a question of whether or not men can even be effective in this area of ministry. What does the Bible say about all of this? Join us as we share from the scriptures and our experience on this topic.

I just don't know if it's appropriate for men to be out there in speaking to women about women's issues. I Am Yours, I am yours, I am your. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. Is Abortions just a woman's issue? Is it appropriate for men to Minister to abortion minded women? Join us as we look at this scripturally and share an awesome testimony at the end. Stay tuned. Send Me Lord, Send Me Lord. I felt show passis touch your use me love. He there. This is the Gospel centered pro life podcast. Welcome everybody, and today we're going to talk about a common thing that we face when we are working out on the sidewalk or in pro life ministry, which is is it appropriate for men to Minister to abortion determined women? Yes, a lot of folks that will say no, though. You hear it all the time from the socalled pro choice people that you don't ever uterus, you're not allowed to speak about abortion. Yeah, yeah, you hear that, not just from pro abortion people, to hear that from even some pro lifers. I've had folks say that. You know, guys say that. I'd like to be out there. I just don't know if it's appropriate for men right, right, be out there in speaking to women about out women's issues. Yeah, there's a way, some people will say, and honestly, even to be fair, as as we train our new volunteers, we do say that in most cases we feel it's most effective for women to Minister to the women, yeah, and men to speak to the men. But I think since I have been doing little bit of research for this podcast, I may have come to a different conclusion. Yeah, well, we certainly believe in practice, but also, of course, biblically, that it's not only appropriate for men to Minister in this capacity, it's biblical to do so. So we believe that. But you know, there is some wisdom and certain certainly we don't abandon that wisdom. As far as when a man's coming into the abortion center, they'll say he's brought his girlfriend there and he's coming out of the abortion center and he's going to sit in his car or whatever. For a woman to call out and say hey, be a man and get back in there typically not as effective, not as well received from a woman to a man. Yeah, typically we prefer from men to minister to men and that contacts. But well, another example is, like I share with you before we started this podcast. If a woman is walking down the sidewalk, she's more vulnerable than if she's driving in in a vehicle and it could be more intimidating if I were to go up an approach. Not to say I won't a wheel, and I have, but if there's a woman there that can get over to her that's as she's walking down the side walk coming into the abortion center, I'm going to say, hey, Google them, talk to her. Yeah, if there's no one else available, maybe someone that's not very well trained, someone's kind of new, I'll go and I'll approach and I'll do you everything I'd normally do as I'm approaching a woman going in. But I think there's some wisdom that we can use so that we're not being intimidating. I mean, the goal is we want to have a conversation with these women and we want to remove any barriers that would be there. Sure, and so if me being a man would be a barrier, potentially, I want to try to remove that in as much as I'm able to just use in wisdom. Yeah, and one of the things that I did is I was thinking about this podcast, was I did a little bit of research into some of the facts about the women who are coming for an abortion and how those truths affect whether they would best receive ministering from a man or for a woman. Yeah, for example, I think all of us have seen this. Many, if not most, abortion minded women come from broken and even abusive relationships. Yeah,...

...they come. They come from families without father's, either a completely absent father or a father who is sometimes in prison or in addiction or negligent and yet some way or absently right or or outright abusive. And so the article specifically that I that I got some of my facts from, we will post in in an article that we're going to post on our sidewalks for life website. But a peer reviewed study of abortion minded women found that a fourth of the women who abort, a fourth are in abusive relationships. Yeah, so knowing that, just knowing that, you know that that woman is likely perceiving a man with jaded eyes. They're seeing men in in and not a good light. Yeah, and we're going to talk later on more about how men can overcome that and the approach to how they approach the woman has to be very careful. Yeah, but but I think that's part of the reason for why we so often hear that that a man should not minister to an abortion minded woman. And there is certainly validity and there yes, well, you know, if you're dealing with women who have had aggressive men in their lives and in their experience, and let's let's face as far as aggression goes, if you do a comparison of whether or not this percentage of men or more aggressive than this percentage of women, I mean the prison population shows just that men typically are more aggressive, and so that's the perception, and so we have to understand that perception with the women that we're ministering to. Not only is it just a general act that men are more aggressive, we're dealing with a population of women who have been involved with or had men in their lives who were more aggressive. Yeah, and literally harmed in various ways. And Yeah, we're coerced into the abortion exactly. So whatever. That's why it is important that we keep these things in our minds. It shouldn't be a deterrent from US minishing, and that's one of the things. One of the lies we want to tear down right away is that is it appropriate for men to minister to abortion minded women. Yes, it is absolutely appropriate. It is the call of God for us. So we're given away the punch line, were Anne, and so I'll say, yes, it's appropriate and it's necessary, but there are some things that we need to consider in this, and that's really the meat of what we're talking about. Exactly, exactly. Another fact of abortion minded women is that one in three children in America live in a fatherless home. Yes, so there's no male role model at all. Yeah, and in one out of three families. So these women are coming with very likely abusive or aggressive relationships with men and then like ful, yes, exactly, and then with really no role model of what a godly man or a father, yeah, would would look like. So it would be, I think, very safe to conclude that there would be trust issues. Absolutely so, if we want to be effective, and that's all, that's, of course, always primary in in our we want to first of all represent God, but we also do want to be effective and in saving these babies and reaching these MOMS, and if if they don't trust us, then you're probably not going to be a fact. Yeah, and that's maybe a subject for a whole other podcast, but the issue of trust is an important one and so just to lay it out just real succinctly, if I can, women are coming to abortion clinics because they trust that abortion, that the...

...abortion clinic, that the abortionist, is going to fix what's broken in their life. There's a certain amount of trust. Now, of course we know it's it's a mixed in with all these different components, but there is an issue of trust where they even invested trust. I mean they've got the money in their hand, they've made the appointment, they've invested trust in that abortion clinic, so much so that they're going to go in there and submit themselves to to a very invasive procedure, put themselves in the most vulnerable position that woman could be in, physically undressed from the waist down, feed up in this stir hips. I mean now to get to graphic about it, but that's the reality of it. And so they've placed their trust in abortion to the point where they're willing to do certain things to to convey that trust. Right. What we're trying to do with sidewalk counselors and man or woman sidewalk counselors. We're trying to get them and convince them, Hey, the trust that you put in that abortion clinic don't invest your trust. They are invest your trust us here, and ultimately it's in the Lord. Yeah, but it's also in us. I mean we're representatives of God, and so we want them to trust rather than the abortion clinic, we want them to trust us, and so that's the attitude we need to understand that we've got to come with. This is a trust thing. Ultimately, again, we want to turn them to trust the Lord. You know, trust in the Lord with all of your heart, as the scripture I use on a regular basis. Yeah, and so anything that that we might do, any disposition we might have that would compromise that trust we need to be careful for. Yeah, I agree totally. And and to piggyback off of that thought to even a deeper level, when you said ultimately we want them to put their trust in God. Well, think of that. Their role model of their earthly father is very distorted, yeah, or absent or very negative. And so what we're ultimately as a gospel focused pro life ministry, we are ultimately asking them to put their trust in God, but their image of God is often distorted by the image of who their earth earthly father was, and so that is one of the things that I think makes the necessity of a godly man out on the sidewalk speaking life and being a role model of what a man, as God designed him to be, a protector. Yeah, women and children, and that is a really critical picture for them. Police say. Yes, so almost in one sense we're we're talking about the positives and the negatives, right. So, yeah, it's we need to be careful the way that we we come across and that sort of thing. But because the way we come across could have a negative impact, they may not stop and talk that they reject what we're saying. Yeah, but also it can have a very positive impact when we come in a humble but also in a protective demeanor. Those things are important and in the the body language and all that stuff, and people pick up on that, and so that's why we need to be intentional and that sort of thing. I mean it's just simply put again, man or a woman, we need to have an approachable demeanor, we need to have a smile in our face, not to be all gruff and he is an abortion clinic. We're doing, you know, abortion clinic ministry. Right, it's hard to have a smile on your face because the killing children in there. But we need to because the demeanor on our face and the body language goes a long way. But I will say, especially for men when we're trying to reach women going into the abortion clinic, I mean our our disposition, our demeanor, goes a long way to help get some of that trust right. Right. You know, they have certainly experienced shaming, coercion, anger and even abuse at the hands of men. Quite off and not always, but quite often. That's the story that that I...

...certainly hear from the women who talk with us. So that's the last thing they should see. Few men that are yeah, you know, it's not like when we're talking about this, it's not like we're coming I mean statistics and reading articles. Is Fine, we should do that, but we're not just coming from something we've read. This is experience. You know, I've been out there for fifteen years. Yeah, you've been out there for seven, seven, now, seven years, and talked to probably, I mean hundreds, maybe thousands, of women coming into the abortion center in various ways, either talking to them as they're walking up or as a pull over and talk or on the mobile ultrasound unit, we're able to get more in depth talking to them afterwards on the phone. You know, I've been involved in situations, in family situations. was some of the moms that have chosen life and I've seen some of the difficulties, some of the struggles, but I also seen some of what God will use to try to, you know, to break into that situation, using myself and other men to break into those situations and really bring truth and life, not just for the baby but for the mom as well. Yeah, so we're speaking from from experience and what God has done. We'll get into a little bit more of that later on. Yeah, and of course, as in all of our Gospel Centered Prolife podcast, we turn to the Bible, yeah, for truth. And so the Bible is, of course, filled with evidence that men ministered to women and women an insexual sin. Yeah, I would consider abortion sexual sin and well, and the result of sexual sin, certain abortions, is the results of sexual sin a lot of times, and you know, unfortunately, many, many, many of the situations that we speak to that we experience are women and men who were having sex outside of marriage. I mean, if if sex outside of marriage didn't exist, abortion likely would not exist. Right, right. That's the reality of it, and so that's why it's important that we bring that into the equation. Biblically speaking. Yeah, do men in the Bible Ever Address Women in sexual sin situations and difficult situations like what we encounter at the abortion centers? Yeah, and and of course the prime model of that is Jesus. Yeah, we are to we are to model our lives after Jesus. Men and women are to model our lives after Jesus. But Jesus Ministers to women so often in the Bible, and always they are women. Well, not always, most of the time they are. They are women that are involved in some sort of sin, if not sexual sin. Yeah, and how he ministers to them, I think, is just really telling and and helpful. I think so for us. But we're going to go over some specific examples of when Jesus Ministers to women, and it's not a comprehensive list at all, but it's it'll give a sense of how often and he does minister to women. And one of the things which maybe you can speak more knowledgeably than me to is just that women were not considered as valuable or worthy as men and just the mere fact that Jesus would stoop to talk to women was unusual. Yeah, in the absolutely I mean John Chapter Four, the woman of Samaria, the woman at the whale. I mean not only the Jesus kind of breach cultural norms about talking to a woman, but talking to a woman who had so many husbands and pretty promiscuous, yeah, it seemed, and also a Samaritan at that, and enemy of the Jews. Yeah. Yeah, so Jesus breaches all those cultural norms. Yeah, boss speaking to this woman and he speaks some some really important truth to her and she ends up. We talked about this in previous podcasts. Awesome Pastors Scriptures who probably touch on it throughout. It's so appropriate this for our party is it is. But she goes and she's an evangelist for...

...for Jesus in that sense in her city. Right. So it is appropriate. We see in that passage. That's probably one of the passage that is it's one that that will mention. So we're going to go over the specific examples, but some of the guiding principles. I think it's always good to kind of give a gist of what are the main points that are raised in these passages, and these are the things I came up with. Maybe you'll come up with other ones. But number one, Jesus. His goal in ministrying to women, women is always to point them to the heavenly father. Yeah, I'Ms Always. Number two, his method is always conviction, not condemnation, and in fact he says I come not to condemn but to save. Yeah, so, but he does want to convict and he does convict. He uses truth to convict, but but I think, notably not to condemn. Number three, he always values them as people, no matter how serious their sin is. He always addresses them. Yeah, as, as you know, say, human beings absolutely and valuable. Not Getting off the track too much, but Jesus Ministry was marked by the fact that he had women in his company of disciples. I mean, there weren't any of the apostles weren't women. We know that, but there were several women that came along with Jesus, and we see that throughout all of the Gospels. Yep, Jesus did not exclude women from his ministry, didn't exclude them from ministering to them, but also he didn't exclude them from following him and learning from him and all of that in the upper room. Yeah, when the Holy Spirit came down, this is after Jesus, course, was crucified and resurrected and ascended to heaven. The Holy Spirit came down, there were women in the midst there. Yeah, and so Jesus Ministry was marked by and even the Apostles Ministry. My quiet time before the Lord in the mornings. Lately I've been reading the book of acts and all through the book of acts you see that there were notable women that came through the Ministry of Paul and the apostles. Yeah, and so women certainly were a part of the ministry and certainly men in Jesus time, though maybe not normally, would reach out to women. Jesus certainly did. The apostle certainly did, because the Gospel, you know, Paul says at one point there's neither male nor female. Doesn't mean they're all the male and female distinctions are removed, but it does mean that the Gospel is for everybody. Yeah, and they so. Yeah, I mean that's that's shown forth in Jesus Ministry. Yeah, the fourth kind of guiding principle that I leaned from going over these was that that Jesus always offers a better way with a positive outcome, and that kind of goes along with condemnation. It's not condemnation. There is a game plan and alternative and that alternative is a very positive one and it, you know, just a kind of as a side note, I think men are kind of wired differently and then women, and that men are wired, I believe, to solve problems. They're not so much into talking, yeah, the way women are, but they at my husband is, of a great example of that. There are times I just want to vent, but he wants to solve. Right, yeah, but in the case of in front of an abortion center, that's not a bad thing to have, not at all. Someone who's got a solution who's going to point you, because Jesus did. Jesus just didn't spend a lot of time, like with the touchy Feeley Chatting. He spent a lot of time about this is what's wrong, this is what's right, and here is where it leads to this positive outcome. Yeah. So the fifth thing is that he always loves unconditionally, without compromising the expectation of repentance and resulting change to behavior. So it sounds like we're being very careful. The same man should not be too aggressive or certainly not abusive, but...

...we're not saying that they should refrain from both these speaking the truth. Yeah, I mean the one example that comes to mind for me, which is again probably another one of the strangers are you going to touch on, is a woman that was called an adultery, right exactly, and Jesus came to her defense in the sense that he told those who wanted to stone her to death he was without sin cast the first stone. So he sort of turn it around on them. Yeah, but he didn't. I mean, he wasn't some effeminate Pansy. They didn't point out the truth, right, he said it was no way condoned. It does where your keysers? You know where to be found. Okay, and he tells her go and send. No more so if heat knowledges her sin, he doesn't just say well, no big deal, keep on you keep only keeping on. No, he pointed out her sin and told her to stop doing it. Yeah, and he did it, you know, he did it so succinctly. there. He didn't, like waste a lot of words, but in those few words, go and send, no more, he exposed it as sin. He told her to turn from it, basically to repent, and he said go now move on with your life. All in what seven words? How many women can do that right? Yeah, well, just in general, I think men tend to be less wordy. Jesus, I think that. I think it was not wordy. Yeah, he but one of the things we're talking about, just like we talked about a couple of PODCASTS, to go about how the body of Christ works together. They're different components and in different folks with different giftings and different callings and all that sort of thing, and God uses all that in the same way. God uses both men and women on the sidewalks to Minister to abortion mounded women, in our different strengths, in our different weaknesses. Yeah, I think probably, because I think it would be inappropriate for a man to go on board the mobiltra sound unit with a woman and get the ultra sound on their hands on dress. So yeah, exactly. That will be totally inappropriate. However, just the scenario itself might not be a scenario in which men will thrive. Thrive so well, because that's when you do get into the meat of the things and you're not just given solutions, you're talking about the situations, you're hearing them out and all that. You get more in depth with the conversations. Well, that's a good point, because a big part of the RV experience where we bring the women on to show them then I'll just sounded their baby, is that we listen to that huge, really important. Yes, you build a relationship and you hear them so that they feel heard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's not to say that of course we don't want to brawl brush. Some men are more inclined to want to talk at length than others, but it does seem to be a pretty general principle that men want to fix things. I mean that's the case for me. The Lord has helped me tremendously, I think, through this ministry and through just learning from my wife to listen, to be an ear and I don't always have to solve problems. Sometimes I just need to listen. So but it does seem generally men are just problem solvers. We hear a problem, yeah, you go here's a plant. Yeah, and in this scenario it can be a good thing. That's right. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. So then the the last kind of guiding principle, and then maybe we could talk about some of those specific samples, is that Jesus often meets physical and other needs, but again always with the spiritual counterpart of the primary goal being a right relationship with God. So the men out there at an abortion center, Godly met pro life men on the sidewalk can be offering to meet the needs that these women have expressed, just as just like the women can offer that. But the goal in both cases, and certainly in Jesus case, was that always healing and meeting needs was to lead to a right relationship with God. Yeah, and to keep redemption. The Ministry of a Sidewalk Counselor Ministry if you guys listen, and minister in a pregnancy center, whatever context. Yeah, it's always he's redemptive. Yeah, I the desires always redemption. It's...

...always to take a bad situation and allow God to redeem that situation. And of course that won't Happen Unless the Gospel is plainly laid out right, and that can be done in in a way that is not you know, you don't have to be overly aggressive to share the gospel. I mean, if you've ever seen, which you've encourage you guys in the past to do, is watch summer ray comforts videos. You don't see an aggressive man, you know, you see Ray Comfort Sharing the gospel very, very forthrightly, but very tactfully and all that with men and women alike, and that's to me a good model of sharing the Gospel. Yeah, totally ID to some people might have in their mind. Reason why I say that? Because some people might have in their mind because they've seen videos on Youtube or whatever, if people men in front of abortion clinics just being like, I guess, overtly aggressive and just calling out sin and whatever people. I'm not going to. I'm not the critic of that, but don't be surprised if you do that. You know, if you stand on a stool in front of the abortion clinic like a street preacher, don't be surprised very few women come over and talk to you because you're not putting yourself in a position for them to actually come over and talk to you. God will, God will use I mean, God's word doesn't return void. God will use that, but preaching. So anyway, yeah, rabbit trail on that. Yeah, so let's get into some of the specifics. Maybe then some of when Jesus encounters women. Okay, how about Mark Twenty five to thirty four? Okay, that's the woman who has been sick with a bleeding disease, I believe. Okay, yeah, for years and she touches his robe and in that passage she has a significant health need. She's unclean, by the way, right the eyes of Jewish law at the time, because she has this flow of blood and that made her unclean. So she should not have touched Jesus according to Jewish law. Oh Yeah, and I think it. Well, disciples, I can't remember if they rebuked her. No, no, they didn't rebuke. Can Actually rebeat her? Actually, they sort of rebuke Jesus when Jesus said, and you know, he touched me, and they said, you ask who touched me, and there's a crowd, crowd around him. That's right, that's right. So, but he doesn't rebuke her and say why did you touch? You Break Jewish law. You touch me, a woman. What are you doing? Yeah, what's wrong with you? And in fact he commends her and says that her faith has saved her. Yeah, so he looks at this desperate woman and he's gentle he's kind and even commends her her attempt to be healed. Yeah, her a successful attend and it was successful, and I think that's a great model in in terms of what's happening out in front of the abortion center, in that he looks for the positive in a way. Yeah, he doesn't look at the obvious infraction of which there was in that time period. Yeah, but he looks for something that he commend her. Yes, a matter of fact, I read this is Mark Five, verse Thirty Four. Okay, and he is Jesus said to her, daughter, your faith has made you well go in peace and be healed of your affliction, and he addresses her as daughter. Yeah, and that's a powerful term of endearment there. He doesn't rebuke her again, like you said, for breaking the Jewish law, because that would be she has a flow of blood right, and she would be breaking because she's unclean. Yeah, Jewish law, and him, being very God in the flesh who established that law, could have rightly rebuked her, but he didn't. He says daughter, he calls her daughter, your faith has made you well go in peace and be healed of your affliction. Jesus meets her very graciously in that situation and immediately connects it to a spiritual it was her faith. Yeah,...

...that made her well. Yeah, so not direct application what we're dealing with. As far as abortion minded women. They're coming with a quite a different disposition. But yet still it's notable that Jesus was gracious to her, even though she did, you know, break that one Jewish right. But there is another slight way that we could draw that even closer to the population of women coming to an abortion center, in that she was disdained and overlooked. Yeah, because she was unclean. But Jesus breaks through those barriers. And there are certainly people that just want to scream at abortion minded women. Yeah, because they're doing something awful, and it is awful, it is ruful, absolutely, but but we need to look past that sometimes to how can we heal? Yeah, how can we help? Okay, how about the woman who was crippled and bent double by demons, and that's in luke thirteen versus ten to seventeen. So in that story, just in general, the woman has been crippled, it says, by evil spirits. Yeah, for eighteen years, and Jesus ultimately sets her free from her infirmity. Laying hands on her, she immediately straightens up and, as a result, praises God. So he meets her needs. The result is to draw her out of evil control, these satanic she's bound by Satan. He says. She's been bound by Satan for eighteen years, and then he delivers her to God. And I would suggest that these abortion minded women are, in a sense bound by Satan. Yeah, they've been bound by lies from the devil. Right. They've been bound by fear, which is a thing that we need to understand, and we read article about that on our sidewalks for lifeside, how women come under a spirit of fear. And so there's that spirit of fear they're under. So we need to come with that understanding for shore. Yeah, and and how Jesus deals with her is is he sets her free, laying hands on her again, there's this this touch, a gentle and compassionate touch that again meets the needs, but it points her to God. And so the general principle, I think, for all men and all women ministering at an abortion center is everything you do needs to ultimately keep pointing someone compassionately, keep pointing them to God. Yeah, so the woman caught an adultery. That's a big one. That's probably the one that most fits the parallel of what we face. Yeah, as in Pro Life Ministry. So that's in John Seven, verse fifty three and goes through John Eight, verse eleven and and in that in that story, we've mentioned it many times, she's caught in the act of adultery. Now here's an interesting thing. According to Jewish law, both the adulterous man and woman were supposed to be brought to justice, brought right. Yeah, for but where's the man? Of course, yeah, he's he's not been included in the equation. And of course their motivation is not about justice right, not even upholding the law. Their motivation, it tells us in the scripture, in order to trap Jesus Right, getting trapped in us an area in which he'll say that she should be condemned, yeah, or that she should not be condemned. Yeah. Yeah, of course Jesus, in his awesome wisdom, out smarts those guys, yes, and brings truth to her as will. I can't be forgotten that Jesus didn't just glaze over her sin. Yeah, Jesus focused on that sin and told her to stop doing it. Right yet right? Yeah, show her mercy, for sure, but also shared her truth. Yeah, and love and truth. And I think that's that's where how I summarized that passage. Is She expects condemnation, m shaming, even death. Yeah,...

...for according to Jewish law, for what she had done. I'm sure she was expecting. She's brought in front of this grape man. Yeah, certainly knows scripture. Yeah, this rabbi WHO's everybody's talking about. And and I'm sure there's any concern on her part that she's going to be stone today. And yet how does he treat her? Is it condemning? Is it shaming? Is it threatening death? No, that it was. It was gracious, compassionate, but again forthright and truthful. Yeah, yeah, and and so she we I guess, we don't know what happened to her. We don't know if she went and send no more. I don't think we're told. No, we're not told. In Church history didn't didn't have her, as far as I'm aware. Yeah, any stories about her, but we can assume, with that encounter with Jesus, that she went and obeyed Jesus and maybe was one of the the sidell's that that followed Jesus and the coming months and years. Yeah, and I think it's one of the most beautiful passages as as an example for men ministering to women. Is They are expecting condemnation from you. They are, and if that's what they hear, you've you have become the problem, I think at that point, honestly, because they're you. You're exactly what they expected. But that's not what Jesus modeled. He modeled kindness, compassion, truth, forthrightness and love. Yeah, absolutely, along with truth. So then maybe the last one that we have time for. You want to do just one more? Yeah, okay. So the last one is in Luke seven versus thirty six to fifty, and that's about the prostitute who anoints Jesus prior to His crucifixion. She's a sinful woman, that is certainly suggested, probably a prostitute. She anoints Jesus's feet with her tears and ointment, and those that are with Jesus are appalled, right on several levels that. First of all, what's he doing interacting at all with this woman of ill repute and she's touching him and they're just apalled that he would let her touch him and even say, don't you know who this is? Right, yeah, that is touched. Yeah, I mean one point is in verse thirty nine, it says now in the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he spoke to himself. So he just said this in his own heart. This man, if he were a prophet, would know who and what manner of woman this is who's touching him, for she is a sinner. So, yeah, the filthy woman. Yeah, this man's eyes. And if Jesus was any kind of a prophet, like people are saying or like he claims to be, then he would know this woman right, she shouldn't be touching it. So it isn't that interesting that he's questioning even they even who Jesus is, based on the fact that he's interacting with this sinful woman? I think that that can clearly has applications for what we do. We are not only associating with clearly sinful women, they're about to kill their babies, but we are offering them, I hope, a similar sort of response as Jesus saw first. Yeah, yeah, so from the perspective of this Pharisee, he wants Jesus to, in his eyes, do the right thing and push this woman to the side and they get out of here. Yeah, but Jesus turns it on him and actually gives a parable and talks about, you know, basically, a man was owed this much money and was forgiven this much money, and another man was owed this much money was for giving this much money. Who you think would love the guy that forgave the debt more? Well, the one who was forgiven more. Right. And he's saying this woman, yeah, you might be a righteous pharisee that has never broken the law or whatever, and she's a your as a filthy prostitute. And yet she's had an encounter with me. Obviously she, I would say, knew who Jesus was way before this incident.

She just come in all of a sudden. She'd had an encounter with Jesus before and she had seen His mercy and the forgiveness that he offers and she loved him much because she was forgiven much. Jesus gives her mercy and uses that as an opportunity to show others that God is merciful, that those who humbly repent, God shows mercy to now again, the scenario is a bit different because we're encountering women going into the abortion center who haven't yet repented. Correct. However, we want them to write, we want to have a conversation with him, we want to talk to them about the Lord and talk to them about the resources and things that would help them not to go in there and and do what they'd come to do. But again, our disposition should be like Jesus in one of receptivity. We want to be received and what we're saying right. Yeah, exactly. And I have seen the fruit of our ministry bring me a woman, not just me, all of us, a woman who is so grateful, yeah, that she responds in a like sort of way, just with so much gratitude and love and turning to God. Then was so much faith, because she has been forgiven of so much that she knows was wrong and and evil and sinful and at yeah, and and in fact, I know, Daniel, you have a really wonderful experience of someone who really came to that point of repentance. Yeah, yeah, this was not too many weeks ago. We cheered it on our blog, we shared it in an email send out, and this is a young lady who came to the abortion center right, and some of you, if you've read our email send outs, it's the young lady who said I'm going in for a refund. Well, initially, yeah, you know, I had poured my heart out to her. I'd spoken to her for well, you know, I'll just kind of give you the layout. She had gone into the abortion center and this because of the covid nineteen stuff. They were telling them to go back outside and waiting their cars. So she comes out and this is on a Saturday, so it's pretty crazy. Other Saturdays are police officers there, there's even pro abortion people there. At that time, thankfully, there were not pro abortion people there. But she goes and she's sitting or standing beside her car and I called out to our said Hey, just come over and talk with us. It's come and take my information. And initially she was like no, I don't need what you have. I'm okay, right, and I said something to the effective well, you're not okay, you're at an abortion clinic. What I have will be really helpful. Just come over and take the information and I, you know, I make sure my tone is a gracious tone and I think tone does matter. Some people might downplay that, but you know, we say in our trainings your tone will set the tone. If you have an angry tone, hey, come over here and talk to me, they're typically not going to reciprocate nice with a nice tone. They're going to be angry as well. Right. And so, anyway, I just talked to her real graciously but forth rightly, and I said just come over and take the information. Not Going to hurt for you to have information. She's okay, I'll come and get so she came over and she took the information, or a little brochure that we hand out, and I went right into okay, so what's going on in your life? What makes you feel like this is an option for you? And she started pouring out her heart and listen, I've had people, I've had women either stopping carside as they're going into the abortion center, coming out of the abortion center, all kinds of scenarios, share with me things and I'm like that's Dmi, two months information. I don't even know it, but I just roll with it. They're going to pour it out. Yeah, I'm going to listen. Yeah, and I'm going to try to just bring God a course into the equation and that's what I did in that situation. She shared some of about, like we talked about before, the the boyfriend, or actually wouldn't even her boyfriend was kind of one night stand thing, but the guy who she was pregnant by was a dirt bag. That's that's I think that's the word you use these the dirt bag, and so I got into that and I talked about how God saves dirt bags. I used to be a dirt bag and what God did in my life...

...and shared my testimony and then she shared some of the other things and struggles and and all that was going on and, you know, by God's grace, was able to talk to her and some others came along. Some ladies came along, One lady that are one of our volunteers who's post aboard of and shared and one of the things that she said, because I talked to her, that the young lady we were ministering to about the regret that comes from abortion, and she said, well, first she started out with, I'm afraid I'm going to regret if I have this baby. I'm going to regret it because I don't want to bring this baby into a situation where it doesn't know it's Dad. I understand that, but I said, you know, understand if you have the abortion, you're going to regret that, right, and she said, Oh, I know, I'll regret that. So I'm like, okay, so you have a scenario in which he might regret having the the baby and then a scenario that you know you're going to regret having the abortion. Yeah, well, why not? Do you know? I'm just kind of not a sales pitch, but I'm like, Hey, just way this thing out. Yeah, we're being very logical and very truthful, following the biblical guidelines. Yeah, you're doing great so far. Yeah, so thus far, doing fine, I guess. Well, it came to a point where I think I had given her everything I could and he just kind of spelled it out to her and let her know the help and the resources that are available, and she said, well, I got a friend who's WHO's trying to Tak me into not having the abortion to I'm going to go to my car and I'm going to call her. So she went called her and then she came back out and talked a little bit more and shared some more stuff with her and then she said, okay, I just don't know what I'm going to do, and so she went over to her car, and that was just praying God, please get in your car right the away from here, get in your guys. Just plan. God, please get Ahold of her her make sure, just don't let her go in that abortion clinic. Lord, I'm praying because you know how it is when you poured your heart out and it's like your heart is invested in this person, and I just knew for her, if she had the abortion, it would destroy her, because she knew the right thing. She had every reason, I mean, as we talk through it and the way that she believed in God and the way that God had arranged things, even though the guy was a dirt bag. She had a good job, she had an apartment with an extra bedroom, you know, and she was talking about how maybe that would be a bedroom for the child. I was like yeah, you see how God. Anyway, she went back to her car this point and then I started to see her walk into the door of the abortion center. I'm like, Oh no, I've seen that walk before, right. We all, yeah, we all just shrivel up like we've given all we had to give. But as she's walking through the door, I called out to our called out her name and I said you don't want to go in there, please don't do this, and she turns around says, Oh, I'm not, I'm going in for a refund. Yeah, like then rejoicing broke out on the sidewalk. Ultimately she came out of the abortion center. She went and got her money back, got her ID back. Yeah, came out of the abortion center parking lot and stopped at the driveway and we pointed over to the mobile ultrass sound unit and my wife and Sarah were able to minister her there's my wife is the nurse and Sarah was the counselor on board that day. Ministered to her. She saw her baby on ultrasound. They share the Gospel with her. She gave her heart to Jesus and you know. So that's just one story of many where I've seen men in this situation. God used me very graciously, but I've seen him use other men and ministering two women at the abortion center. And actually she came back that next Friday. So this was a Saturday, and so that next Friday, almost a week later, she came back with a gift basket for me and a card. Yeah, that said, this, read this card. I'm looking at it. You all can't see it at its hand illustrated. It's just speart of yeah, and I put it out on our cities for life facebook. Yes, he can public space, so you guys to see it. CHARLOTTE, cities for life facebook. But here's what it says. This is there's really not any words to describe the impact you've made. I knew the right decision. I just needed a little push and you were that other voice I was seeking to hear from other than my own. Thank you. And so this she was just needing a voice. And, guys, I won't encourage you. Men. Yeah, you can be a voice. That's just from my experience, but I'm telling you, I've seen it in other men. I've seen God use men in these situations awesomely. I've seen God do...

...amazing things through men and women on the sidewalk. So is it appropriate for men? Is it okay for men to Minister to abortion minded women? Guys? Yeah, necessary, yeah, it's not just okay, it's necessary. God will use you. Now you're demeaning your disposition. They do matter, but even if that needs to be honed a little bit. God will work. God's worked on me massively. I used to be a lot more, I don't know, aggressive. I wouldn't that aggressive I used to be. I used to say things before that I don't say now because they're just not helpful in that scenario. I won't give any examples cut that want to embarrass myself, but you know I'm careful with the words that I say. I want to be approachable. I mean, that's basically what it is. Yeah, I want to be approachable. And so, guys, is your ministering this capacity. I want to encourage you, but also would encourage you listen. If there's some things you can kind of really in a little bit, some things you can hone, some things you can take from the example of Jesus and apply those principles, do it and God will use you. And so with that I think we'll wrap this thing up. This is a blessing to share this with you guys, blessing that you guys are listening to this podcast. It'd be a real blessing if you would share this podcast, shared on Social Media and let folks know some of the things that you heard some of the things that were helpful. Let us know. Reach out to me deep parks at cities for lifecom. You can reach out to Vicky v CASSIE orgate cities for lifecom. Go to our sidewalks for life website. Hopefully we'll have an article up in a couple of days that talks about this and again, hopefully this was a blessing encouragement to you guys, but until next time, God bless me for love. Give me our loft for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious. And some met you.

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