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Gospel-Centered Pro-Life Podcast

Episode 152 · 1 month ago

Ministering At Abortion Pill Only Clinics

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The abortion pill is becoming the most common abortion procedure in the US. Many clinics do both surgical and pill abortions but some do only the abortion pill. This presents some unique challenges. In this episode, we talk about those unique challenges and some strategies to overcome them.

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One young lady pulled over to the side of the road. She was just going back and forth in her mind. What did I just do? And then she remembered. She saw a sign all abortion polly ourscom. She pulls over the side of the road, Google's IT, gets connected with the abortion pill folks. They connect her with my wife. She ends up getting the abortion polty reversal. Her babies now said babies. She was having twins. Her babies lives were saved. I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, and me, Lord, I am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel Center Prey Life Podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you in pro life ministry and always were the focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt show passish, touch your heart. Use Welcome back to the Gospel centered pro life podcasts. As always, we appreciate you guys, joining us with this podcast episode. My name is Daniel Parks. I am the West Coast Regional Shepherd for love life, overseeing our efforts on the west coast. I am joined with Vicky cassie Org say hey Vicki hey everyone, and we co host this Podcast, the Gospel Center pro life podcast, in an effort to encourage and equip those who are doing ministry on the sidewalks at abortion centers. It's not all that love life does. We do a lot of other things, but it's one of, I believe, the most important aspects that were involved in reaching out there at those last moments of that baby's life, pleading on behalf of that baby, with that mother to choose life for her baby and with the fathers as well, ministering the Gospel. I'll just encourage you guys with something that we've seen, especially that I've been able to see on the west coast over the past couple of months, is an increased in salvations and increases coming to the Lord. Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, there was a week, just a couple of weeks ago, where five people, that's amazing, surrender their life to Jesus. Yeah, or near the abortion center. Now will say that it's not all people going into the abortion center. Some of these abortion centers, that a lot of abortion centers are on busy roads. Right latrobe over here is not. It's kind of tucked away in a business park, but some of these abortion centers in California, all across the United States, New York, you know, you're just up there not long ago. You have passers by, people that are coming by. Well, that's what's happening some in southern California, people that are coming by. Trash guy comes to pick up the trash from business behind the abortion center. Something team ministers him. Now, we know our primary focus is the mom's going into the abortion center, but if there's no one to engage with, why not share the Gospel with the trash guy or whoever? You know, we we're creating a culture of life. That's what I tell all of our councers as we're talking to people going by that aren't our ministry. Obviously don't lose focus. Yeah, a mom is there, but these other people. You are creating a culture of life, which is the yeah, that is what we want to do. We have love like the ministry. Yeah, it's pretty cool. So that's...

...just wanted to mention that because God's doing some amazing things. As Ministry is not just, I'll say, just about saving babies. It's about proclaiming the Gospel and we've done episodes about that. Will probably do more episodes about that. That's not what this episode is about, though. This episode is talking particularly about how to minister at abortion centers that only do the abortion pill. Right. So the latrobe abortion center here that we're well acquainted with, that we do ministry at on a regular basis. Our teams are here. They do the abortion pill but also do surgical abortions up to twenty weeks. The window of abortion center, I believe, all of the abortion center, not a believe, I know all the abortion centers in Charlotte do both surgical abortions and medical abortions or the abortion pill, and so we don't have that context here in Charlotte, but we you and I and others have ministered at abortion centers and we have teams all across the United States now that are ministering at abortion centers that are kind of uniquely geared toward just doing the abortion pill. And there's some challenges there. There's some challenges that are presented and so we want to talk about those challenges and we want to talk about how to overcome those challenges and, yeah, maybe even talk about some of the things that are necessary for you to know. It's important that we know how the abortion pill works. If you've attended any of our trainings. We talked about that in our one, U two training and just kind of get into what the Abord pill is if you listen to this podcast. Hopefully you listen to it. We did two episodes, two separate episodes, about the abortion pill really drill into what it's all about. My wife, who's an abortion party versial nerves, did one of those episodes and then Dr Matt, who pioneer the abortion pill reversal process here in Charlotte was, did another episode. who definitely listen to those episodes. But this is going to be more how to minister at these clinics. Right. But it is important that you know how the abortion pill works, what the procedure is, and I really do want to say this. I mentioned before we started recording. This is important to always have to mention this every time because people are confused about this. Right. The abortion pill and the morning after pill are two different things. They're not the same thing. The morning after pill could be abortive. It's a medications, actually just a bunch of birth control in a sense that a woman takes if she had unprotected sex and doesn't want to get pregnant. It's primary function is to keep her from getting pregnants, keep her from ovulating. I won't get into all the the nitty gritty details of that. You guys can look it up, but it's primary function is to keep her from getting pregnant. It could be abortive if she does get pregnant in spite of its the medications efforts to keep it from getting pregnant. It could abort a child that's been conceived, keep it from implanting into her uterus. But it's not always abortive and it's not it's a primary function. The abortion pill, how ever,...

...in the morning after pill that you would take twenty four to forty eight hours after you had unprotected sex. With the abortion pill, though, the abortion pill is not actually just an abortion pill. It's not just one medication. It's to medications. Go back and listen to those episodes again. You'll hear all of this. Probably already heard this before, hopefully, but it's a procedure. So it's one medication they give them inside of the clinic and then a medication that they have them take at home. Now every state's different. North Carolina, you have to go to a clinic, you have to have had an ultrasound at a clinic. You have to have a doctorate minister the medication, the abortion pill medication. In other states like California, now, I think Washington State, pretty sure, Colorado, Maryland, I don't know all of the states, New York, but you know the north left, leftist states. Right, you can get the abortion pill by mail. Yeah, and it doesn't have to be at ministered by doctor. In some states where you can't get it by mail but you have to go to a clinic to get it, it can be ministered by a nurse practitioner or urn as long as they have a doctor sign off on it. So I don't know all the INS and outs of every state. You'll you guys will have to dig into that. But what we do know, because we do know that there's some some particular ways that we could reach out at those clinics. So I'll let you jump into that. Yeah. Well, one of the things that that we wanted to point out right from the beginning that that we need to be familiar with the pill abortion, yeah, but also that there is an aftermath that is terrible and I just what we wrote an article that goes with this and one of the things. I was just rereading one of my first paragraphs and remembering, I think this happened in New York, a young lady who took the pill up the end and she was being counseled and at first thought about reversing it, thought about choosing life and in the end did not took the second set of pills which caused the contractions and she actually did have the baby in the toilet. Yeah, and it was a recognizable little baby and she was so devastated and wish that she had listened to us. So we're going to talk, I think, more later about really how serious it is. Yeah, to take the pill. But but yet, if we know that someone has taken the abortion pill, there are things that we are always going to call out. Yeah, and particularly afterwards, but even before they go in. So, knowing what what you just described and knowing what I just described, we're going to call out what happens in a pill abortion, because they will not hear that from the clinic. I know for a fact because I've talked to women who who have taken the pill who told...

...me the clinic told them nothing about the severity of the crampain right or the severity of the clotting, the blood clots that they were going to pass, yeah, or the fact that they could actually deliver an identifiable baby, right, and it's devastating that could be. I cannot imagine. Right. So when we know all that, that's kind of the first thing. Is exactly what you said. Know what happens in a pill abortion really familiar and be familiar in the aftermath of the things that can happen, because those are the sorts of things you're going to want to warn the women about. Yeah, guaranteed, they're being lied to, or they were. It's being just emitted. They're not being told any of this. Yeah, I know, and I'm actually looking right now and I can't find it, but you used to go on Plant parenthood's website and they had a side effects sheet that had to do with mifapristone. Right, that's the first medication they give them inside of the abortion clinic, and some of the side effects, as it gets into the kind of the fine print details, is one out of five hundred women that go through with the abortion pill procedure will require a blood transfusion. One out of five hundred. That's and that's serious. Yeah, a blood transfusion. That is serious. That's because they're bleeding so much they the it causes hemorrhachain. Yeah, it can cause hemorrh chain and so it's it can be very violent. Yeah, very violent to aftermath of having the pill. Warning them. I think about that story that I just told you, right, you may see your intact child delivered in the toilet. Yeah, imagine how you would feel painting that picture. And that's not just playing on someone's emotions, that is painting the truth, that is portraying what is really lot possible. Yeah, and not infrequent. That can that can happen. Yeah, that's so. So that's the first thing, is knowing about the pill and being able to call out, you know, the warning of what the what can happen. Yeah, but the second thing is knowing that it can be reversed, right, and being familiar, yeah, about that process. Yeah, and I would encourage all of you guys to go on Google search abortion pill reversal and get abortion po reversalcom. That's where we send women who want to do the abortion pil reversal. But on that website is information about the abortion pill reversal. What it is we've had a lot of pro abortion people accuse us we're putting women in lot in harms way, putting their lives at risk. Yeah, by encouraging the do to the to do the abortion Pel reversal. And when I asked the pro abortion people, okay, do you know what the abortion pill reversal is like? You're staunchly opposed to this thing, but do you know what it even is? What it is is they've heard it from somebody that heard it from somebody. Then there was a study that was done that they had to stop and Dr Matt Talks about that and...

...our podcast with him. Go back and listen to it. That study was bunk. But they don't even know what the abortion pill reversal is. It's just pogesterone right. It's flooding the woman's body with pogesterone. Not Unlike what they do when a woman has frequent miscarriages. They minister progesterone to her when she gets pregnant so she doesn't have a miscarriage or if she's in the midst of a miscarriage. They've been doctors that a minister progesterone. progesterones are pretty common thing. That's given to women in pregnancy and are their risks? Absolutely, there's really with everything. It's the hormone that the woman's body is naturally producing to protect, you know, and at once you're pregnant. That's what your body is producing in order to sustain, build, the lining of the uters, all of that and and nurturing sustain the the pregnancy. And, by the way, another thing that you will hear all the time from the pro abortion people is it's not FDA approved. Right. Well, they are technically accurate. It is not FDA approved for the use as reversal of the pill abortion. Yeah, but it is FDA approved and has been for years in the treatment of miscarriage. Right. And it's really the same sort of thing, which is why Dr Matt suggested or came up with this what he calls the download from heaven. Yeah, was the the abortion pill cuts off progester own and it, I guess it depletes it, but it at least it, it inhibits the action of progesterone. Yeah, and that's why the the pregnancy is terminated in with the abortion pill, but the the abortion pill reversal just floods that back back in, the right. Yeah, a natural hormone that we're the woman's body should have been producing. We're actually instead of with abortion pool reversal. It's the opposite of what the pro abortion crowd are saying, because the natural thing is for the body to continue to produce progesterone. They have unnaturally stopped that with the abortion paill. Yeah, yeah, it's important to know how effective. That's one of the questions that you'll get from Mom's and right from Dad's. The minister to well, if I do that, is my baby going to certainly be saved? Listen, one of the things we can't promise is if you do the abortion pill reversal, your baby's absolutely going to be saved. You can't make that promise. Right, it's only about sixty percent effective. Sixty six percent effective, I think. Yeah, is the higher end of what they've seen. And still that's given that child a chance, still giving that mother a chance to go back on a decision that she regrets. Do Women regret taking the abortion pill? Heck yes, they do. Yeah, right, and if we can give them an opportunity again, I'm not going to give the pro choice people too much. Are On our podcast here, but you know, they claim to be...

...pro choice. If a woman decides that she no longer wants the effects of the medication she took, if she chooses to turn back on her abortion procedure while it's in process, would in the pro choice people support that choice to go back on that decision, you would think, if they were truly pro pro choice? So it's another question that women ask frequently. I've I have been one of the counselors for several abortion pill reversals. Yeah, so one of the things they ask a lot as will the baby be deformed? Right, will the baby be born with problems? And they they have done studies and there is no evidence of that at all. Yeah, the baby will have the same risk of problems as any pregnancy. Sure, normal pregnancy, not being interrupted and going to term. Yeah, because, again, pogesterone is a natural for moon that's in her body, right, and you're just kind of putting that back right, because the if of pristone is a pogesterone blocker. It blocks the action of the POGESTERONE. Yeah, and so again you're just flooding her body with pogesterone to overcome the effects of that pogesterone blocker and because the pro socalled pro choice group, is probably going to be vocal and out there. For all of you minis during at a facility that does pill abortions it, I think it is really critical that you read that research study and that you listen to our podcast regarding that, because the women are going to be told that and they are told once you take that first pill you must complete the abortion and take the pills the second day or you're in danger. That is not true, right, and of that research that they're going to miss quote and say if you try the abortion pill reversal you could die, you could hemorrhage. Well, the people were hemorrhaging not from the abortion pill reversal the projesterm, they were hemorrhaging from the abortion pill. Yeah, so if you don't know that, then you're not going to be able to call out effectively to the women countering the lies that they are going to hear. Yeah, so really, really important know those facts right. One of the next things that that we really want to make sure people ministering at abortion facilities that only do the pill is be very careful about the timing of calling out. We've already talked about the timing of on many podcasts. Timing of calling out about God's forgiveness, the timing of calling out about the abortion pill reversal is tricky, right. Yeah, you got to be careful. Yeah, so what you don't want to do is you don't want to give that woman something she can grasp. You've heard me say this before. These women are grasping for one of two things simultaneously. They're grasping for a justification to go in and abort their child and they're grasping for justification to leave the abortion clinic and never come back. They're grasping at these two things at the...

...same time and we don't want to tip the scale and kind of give them a grasp on well, if I can go in here and just take the abortion pill and if I want to reverse it later, I can. So you don't want to ask they're walking into the abortion center or as you're having a one on one conversation and they're talking about taking the abortion pill. You don't want to say well, you know, if you do take it, it can be reversed. That's not a good time to do that because then you're giving them a justification to go ahead with the abortion pill. thinking, well, if I change my mind, I can reverse it, but if not, I can go through with it when it's really only a sixty percent effective anyway. Right. Yeah, and so I think it is careful. We it is careful. It is important that we're we are careful as when they're walking in, they're going into the abortion center, we're not calling out abortion pill reversal. Like I can imagine a scenario. Ones walking into the abortion center from her car across the parking lot and you call out, don't go in there and take the life of your baby. Your baby is made in the image of God. We have resources to help you, but if you do take the abortion pill, go to abortion per reversalcom. You don't want to do that because you don't want her to grasp on that, like okay, I can do it and I can do that. You really want to time it when they're coming out after they've taken the abortion pill, and then you want to kind of abortion pill reversalcom. Like I say, I kind of try to indoctrinate that into their heads as they're coming out, exportion REVERSALCOM, go to abortion P reversalcom. Keep on clicking, keep on hitting on that so that maybe it'll put something in the in their mind to actually get to the website as their own, their way back home. Right, and you may think that this is far fetched, but I had this happened not all that long ago where a woman said just that, oh, there's abortion pill reversal. She saw our sign which which we had we had not called it out. Then said, well then I'll go in, I don't worry, I'm going to go in and I'll take the pill, but now I know I can reverse it, so if I feel bad, I'll come back out and talk with you about that. So we know it happens. I know the tension in the heart of counselors that want to call it out as they're going in is yeah, but what if we're not here when they come out? Whatever, I get that, but while that baby's life is on the line, every message that they are hearing, I think, has to be the justification for life. Yeah, and not giving the rationale for why they, you know, they should kill the baby. Yeah, absolutely. So the next major thing I think, to think about when you're ministering only at an abortion pill center would be the the lies in the mindset about what the women are going to be told, right, and the mindset of that woman about what she thinks about the pill as maybe not as serious as other forms of abortion. Yeah, yet we have the understand too, that the abortion pill is just as much an abortion as a surgical abortion. Right, right. It's still kills a living child. That's the reality of it. Now it may be sanitized cleaned up a little bit more, it's it's...

...not a surgical procedure that happens inside of the clinic. It is something that happens at home and it's pretty gruesome actually. Yeah, I think you have in this article to encourage folks to go on Youtube and watch the video from the Abbey Johnson movie unplanned. There's actually an abortion pill procedure carried through. Abbe Johnson took the abortion pill in that movie in real life is based on her life and the way that's depicted is actually pretty accurate and pretty gruesome. Yeah, I think understanding that and trying to convey that to the women who think that it's just a peal. It's this magic peel. you swallow this peel, your baby disappears and you go on with your life and no harm, no foul it's not that. Actually it's a lot more gruesome, right, and helping them understand that I think takes away that that fig leaf, that lie, that's it's it's something different than an abortion, like it's just again, a magic peal that you take. Yeah, yeah, so addressing that directly, addressing the the MOM's mindset that that has been lied to and and trying to correct those those lies, is really important. When they do come out and we're telling them about the reversal process again, it's important to know the process because they will ask not only the questions we've already addressed, but don't say, well, what happened? One of the first things that I often forget to call out and it is important to call out. It's free. Yeah, it is free. The process is free, the pills are free, but but the actual process of what happens if they did it, first of all, they're going to go to that website, right, and your wife does this, so you want to you know what happens, right and when that process? Yes, so, ultimately, on the abortion Pol reversialcom website there's a chat feature on there. I think they can go and text and chat or they can call the number. But ultimately what happens is they get connected to a local pregnancy center that does abortion p reversals or a doctor, because there are some doctors offices now that do the abortion pill reversal. So that hot line is kind of a way to get their information, find out what their situation is and then hand them off to a local pregnancy center's Charlotte, they're going to be handed off to one of the pregnancy centers here, likely be my wife doing the abortion pil reversal, and there's I think it's important for you, as a sidewall counselor to know is there a pregnancy center neil nearby that does the abortion pill reversal? Because some pregnancy centers it's good, I think, for them to call that hot line to go on abortion reversalcom but it's even better if they can go directly to the pregnancy center and begin that process right there. Yeah, so it's good that you know where the pregnancy centers are. Maybe you have a couple pregnancy centers in your area and one of them does abortion pty reversals and the others don't. It'd be good for you to know which, which center does the abortion pery reversals. So you can refer them there if you can counterwoman at the abortion center. Yeah, that that wants to do that right. So, once they go go to the to the pregnancy resource center, they will look...

...for the baby's heartbeat. They're not going to administer the pill and the reversal progesterone. And unless they find the heartbeat they need to know the babies alive still and and then if they find the heartbeat they'll go ahead and start the progesterone and the woman who is encouraged to take that for the first trimester, your first twelve weeks, and many of them are of Chris, going to go back to the doctor, sometimes, sadly, the doctor that referred them for the abortion. Not all doctors are on board for abortion who reversal. So it's important to know who dot who the doctors in your area are that maybe you could refer a mom to, yeah, if her own doctor is not going to be supportive of it. But a point that I don't think I make in this article, and it is so important. If a MOM has stopped, they've told you that they are going to go for the abortion, pooll reversal, get their name and number and follow through, because I've had both things happen, where the baby survives and I'm able to share the Gospel and I'm able to set up a mentorship and provide resources, but I've also had the situation where the baby dies. Yeah, and to have someone who is going to be able to Speak Comfort from a Gospel perspective into that horrible situation is really important, because these women are going to feel a lot of guilt. Yeah, and and maybe in some ways it's almost worse because they went, they they did go to kill their baby. They really are responsible. However, they did their best to then right, do the right thing. Why weren't they rewarded for that? I think it's a really common question and I think all of us need to be ready right to speak into that right because it's not a hundred percent effective. No, no, you know, I will say, and this is what my wife does when she ministers to them, because she's had two minister to quite a few that lost the baby. Yeah, at least you tried. At least you tried to do what you can. Are you responsible in some measure? Will certainly, but you tried to undo it and for whatever reason it didn't happen. Yeah, and so you can't beat yourself up. You can't. You can't undo the past and you can, of course, we need to point them toward the forgiveness that comes through Jesus, if that would ent put their trust in him. At that point that woman's already broken and it's really easily too easy to Minister The Gospel to her. So I want to kind of shift gears a bit in the last couple of minutes and I know we've got a few more points that we want to touch on this but I want to talk about some practical stuff. Just practically speaking. You're standing, you have a team that's in front of the Abortion Center to plan parenthood. They only do the abortion pills. or it's another FPA those ro out in the West Coast or...

...that are privately owned abortion clinics that only do the abortion pell I think there's one in Winston Salem. It's like a private doctor's office that only does the abortion pills and you're there reaching out. What are some of the kind of a sensual things I think we've already touched on. Really the essential things is knowing the procedure but also being able to convey that reality. I think one of the things that you would say in calling out if you know it's an abortion pill place is to say that an abortion pill is just as much an abortion as a surgical abortion. That baby still going to die. Abortion pill is going to stop your baby's heart from beating. I would say too in essential part of your ministry is going to be literature, getting literature into their hands. The hope is here literature that we use. It has in the middle part of it the explanation of the abortion pill, so they get that. Hopefully they get that going in. They read it, they're astounded by, okay, this is actually an abortion, I'm going to kill my child, and they change their mind. On the back of that is the abortion pill reversal website right so they can get connected there. I think essential things are when they're coming out, always mention abortion pill reversal when they're coming out and there's some things you can pick up on. There's some patterns you can pick up on. I know one of the patterns here in Charlotte, at Latrobe is we knew the abortion pill people when we saw the abortion the abortionist get here about fifteen minutes after the abortionist arrives, there would be a flood of people to come out. We knew that those are the abortion pill people because that we had a few interactions with those people and we kind of picked up on the pattern. These are the abortion peel right at the window over clinic. They picked up on a pattern and they talked to a few people coming out. If they came out with a pink bag, they knew that those were abortion peel people. In that pink bag was the medication they give them take it home. So maybe you know. Definitely having conversations with people as they're coming out and being very observant. If you see a common thing, maybe a different colored slip of paper, you can maybe identify ocause that somebody it took the abortion bill. Hey, look at patterns and things like that. But when end doubt, plug them. Plug the abortion pill reversal website. Go to abortion per reversalcom and I would say signage is really important. Right. We don't want to plug the abortion pill reversal while they're going in. We already talked about that. But you can't mitigate all of that. Right. Some people going in are going to hear you calling that out to people going out. Do the best you can with that. Some people are going to like your story. They're going to see the sign while they're going in. there. There only so much you can do, Hey, but I do think positioning your sign. It says abortion pill reversalcom. It could just say abortion pill reversalcom like. That's that website itself. The web address is pretty self explanatory. Yep, but you can put other things. Like the signage that we use in love life is abortion pill regrets. I think that's what it says. Yes, Suy a lady, abortion pill regrets, abortion per reversalcom. Right, don't make it super detailed. If you're not with love life and you're making your own signs, don't make it super detailed. Do you regret having taken the abortion pill? That's a horrible decision. Abortion. Don't use a bunch of words, just abortion pill regrets. Do you regret taking the abortion pill? That's maybe a little too long,...

...but the website itself, abortion pill reversalcom is key and I think having that as they're coming out of the driveway, having that be like the first thing they see, is really, really important. Whether you have someone hold that sign are you have it positioned? Maybe like at the window over clinic. Across the road is a tree, and so Elijah props up the sign on that tree. So soon as they're pulling out, like they see that, whether they're taking a left or right, they have to look straight ahead at that sign and it's talking about the abortion pill reversal. Right, right, yeah, so as you're calling out abortion pill reversacom and I will also add it's free. Yeah, it's effective most of the time, because it's over half of the time. It is effective and it's free. It's effective and it's safe. Yeah, we know that. It's true for the for the mom so I recall that out also to kind of clear that up. Yeah, yeah, now I would say because you don't know who's going in for what, especially you're a plan parenthood. We've talked about this. We did an episode about ministering at places that do other things than abortions, the abortion pill, like with the surgical abortion, you can tell if they're going in for, especially a later term surgical abortion. They'll be dressed in a certain way. They're dressed with baggy pants, right. Sometimes you can see a baby bump, all that stuff. There's some indicators there that they're going in for an abortion with the abortion pill. There's not a lot of indicators. Yeah. So and plus, at a lot of these clinics that do only the abortion pill you can't really tell what times of day they're coming in because they can come throughout the entire day to take the abortion pill. At most abortion centers that are doing surgical abortions, you can kind of pick up on a flow of things. Most of the time the surgical abortion patients are coming in and in the morning and they'll have particular days of the week. Like some plant parenthoods, the one here in Charlotte, they only do abortions on Tuesdays and Fridays, right, and we know that through different means. You can find that stuff out. You guys get creative. You can actually go on their website and see what days they allow abortion appointments for some plant parenthoods and some FBA clinics as well. And so, however you can find that information that. That's great, but you can't really easily find that information at these abortion clinics that only do the abortion pill. So I think you have to ask the Lord to give you wisdom and then you have to just assume that everyone is there for an abortion pill and less given a reason to believe otherwise. Hey, and so when I call out especially amount of place that does things other than abortions, whether it's surgical abortions or abortion pills, I'm going to call out if you're here for an abortion and then I'm going to go into my spiell. Hey, if you're here to take the abortion pill, like if I knew this place only does abortion pills, the more specific I can be the better. And so I would say something like, if you're here to take the abortion pill, please know that your baby is alive and the abortion pill is just as much an abortion as a surgical abortion. We have helped for you. Please come over and talk with me. Yeah,...

...yeah, that would be kind of my normal, you know, ten seconds, if you only be a two seconds, and remember, because you do know, that if it's only abortion pilled, all those babies are ten weeks or under right in age. So very important to memorize as much as you can the fetal facts, right development under ten weeks, because that's what you would call out in terms of the humanity of the baby. Yeah, since they you know, calling out about a above a ten week old baby is really not going to matter to them because they're trying to dehumanize the baby and they're thinking, oh, yeah, but that's an older baby, my baby's so tiny and whatever. So No, the developmental facts, there's plenty of them. Yeah, that will show the humanity in the truth of that that child. And of course, the things we always call out that that child, from the moment of conception, is created by God in his holy image and that's what gives that child, yeah, her sacred value. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I know. Just and I think we're about ready to wrap up. Yeah, if you don't have anything else to add, but I will just say again by kind of by the way of practical advice, if I had an abortion center where this is the Plant Parenthood and Charlotte, they do a surgery, they do surgical abortions, but kind of the flow of things is there's a way in to the abortion clinic and then there's a way out right, so they only go in one way and then only go out another way, I would make sure I had someone position at that out, you know, that exit right. Really focusing on the abortion pill. Yeah, and the abortion pill reversal. Yeah, have literature in their hands. Have a sign set up there. I would make sure a had that covered at all times. Someone at the driveway going in and someone the driveway going out. But that person of the driveway going out, they're going to talk about abortion pill reversal. That's that's going to be their thing. Did you take the abortion pill? Even if someone stops you take the abortion pill. Abortion pill reversalcom. Give them literature and then, of course go into, you know, deeper conversation if you're able to. But you want to plug that abortion pill reversalcom very much. We've had women go out coming out of the driveway of the abortion center. They caught a glimpse of our sign or they heard something. They heard someone say abortion Pi Reversalcom. They drove home. One young lady pulled over to the side of the road. She was just going back and forth in her mind. What did I just do? And then she remembered she saw a sign all abortion pill reversecom. She pulls over the side of the road, Google's IT, gets connected with the abortion pill folks. They connect her with my wife. She ends up getting the abortion pery reversal her babies. Now said babies. She was having twins. Her baby's lives were saved and now she sends my wife a picture on their birthday every year. This has been like four years ago or something and just amazing too precious lives that were saved right because someone was there with a sign, someone was there reaching out. Another story were young lady heard someone say the abortion pery reversal website as they were coming out, on our microphone actually, and that's what helped her to do the abortion p reversal. So just hope that you guys are blessed by this podcast. Hope this was an encouragement and hope this equipped you guys who are reaching out at these particular...

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