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Episode 145 · 3 months ago

Overcoming the Language Barrier

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We encounter all types of people in our ministry at the abortion centers. Oftentimes there are barriers that hinder us from reaching these people. One of the main barriers is the language barrier. If women can’t understand you and you can’t understand them it’s impossible to communicate help and hope to them. In this episode, we give some tips on how to overcome the language barrier so you can help women understand the truth and choose life.

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I wrestled with that. I will say I wrestled with that, but I decided that, you know, I was really use the Devil's tool against him, like to Lingo. Knew that you're learning Spanish to lead people to Jesus and to help people right choose life for their babies. They probably wouldn't be very happy with it. That's right, they probably would not. I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, and me Lord, I am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel Center Pro Life Podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt show pass touch your home. Use He there. Welcome to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. I am here. I'm Vicki Kazi York. I'm a sidewalk missionary here in Charlotte for the past nine and a half years and I'm here with Daniel Parks. Daniel, go ahead and tell us who you are. So I am Daniel Parks. Serve as the West Coast Regional Shepherd for the efforts of love life on the West Coast, all the way from Washington state down to southern California and a lot of places in between. And I've been involved in Sibwalk Ministry since two thousand and five, so maybe a little over fifteen year years, mainly here in Charlotte, but I've been at abortion centers across the nation helping out with sidewalk ministry there. So yeah, we think we have something we can teach you guys and yeah, I'm sure some things we can learn from you guys as well, that's for sure. Yeah, we've got a lot of experience. We've done a lot of things wrong, we've done some things right and and we have a lot of sidewalk counselors and missionaries who contact us and don't tell us their needs and the things that they wish that we would talk about. And one of almost all of our podcast come out of that kind of a situation where someone has contacted us and said, hey, this is a situation I faced. I didn't quite know how to handle it. Maybe you guys could offer some ideas. And that is how this one that we're going to talk about today evolved. Is We had a missionary contact us and say that she had a Hispanic woman, I believe, stopped for her and didn't speak Spanish herself, didn't have a translator available and just wondered what do you do? Yeah, in that situation, because it does happen. Yeah, absolutely, I've dealt with that frequently. So we had a, I think, a lot of ideas. I've got a lot of ideas personally from how I have dealt with that situation. It's always a good idea to know if there is a large other than English speaking population in your area and, as best as you can find out, is there someone in your area that you can use as a translator? For sure, that's the the ideal, but it's the ideal is to learn the language yourself. Well, Daniel, I I actually am. I think I've mentioned this on a few podcasts. There is such a large Hispanic population here and we have so many Hispanic women showing up for an abortion that I decided I am going to learn Spanish and I am currently number one in my am I duo Lingo League for for people learning this this language. It's it's it's an honor to be number one. Yeah, but so I am. I'm learning Spanish and slowly, very slowly, quick maybe heaven. The article I'm havensitive if I mentioned this. I think I do. But the do lingo. Think duo lingo. I will tell you, I will warn you. It's liberal, okay, in learning a language. So the trying to indoctrinate...

...you with or from us not though I have not seen pro abortion philosophy, I definitely have seen pro like to daddy's and two Mommy's philosophy, and there are often two husbands raising a son. And I'm learning how to how to talk about that in Spanish. Okay, so I almost stopped doing it because that is not my I don't believe that when you're learning a foreign language that they should be indoctrinating you in a world view that I don't believe as biblical. Duolingo does have those kinds of statements. However, it is by far the best foreign language learning APP or whatever program that I have found, and I am learning. I have counseled women in broken Spanish since starting the duolingo program I have had people choose life. When I have not had a translator, I use a variety of methods, which we're going to get into. Yeah, that I cause money and it's free. Now it's totally free. You can learn a foreign language. They say in fifteen minutes a day. I will a lot of my spare time goes into this, this foreign language learning on dual lingo, because I am committed to learning Spanish so that I can speak with the women that come to the abortion center. Yeah, so I'll often do an hour, sometimes even two hours a day, but they say in fifteen minutes that you can learn the language. So it's dual lingo. It's a free APP. There is a paid version where you can it is better, but it's not better in terms of the learning. It's better in that you can go longer in the free APP. You if you make five mistakes, you're done for the day. They won't allow you to continue on that day, and there are times when I make those five mistakes within the first, okay, five minutes. What is it? It's like giving you phrases and you have to repeat them or so it's really good. They tell stories so that your actually listening to the language. You repeat, so that you're learning to speak the language, and then they word by word, giving you the the words, the verbs. So it's it's a very comprehensive approach. Lots of pictures, lots of reinforcements. Do will lingo as this cute little character and he'll come on the screen and say great job, okay, and he does a little dance. Yeah, so, so really like me, it's pause. have to give a little part of your soul, right, okay, yeah, no, that's cool. I wrestled with that, I will say I wrestled with that, but I decided that, you know, I I was will use the Devil's tool against him, like a cool lingo. Knew that you're learning Spanish to lead people to Jesus and to help people right choose life for their babies. They probably wouldn't be very happy with it. That's right, they probably would not. So let's not. Let do a lingo now, because I really like it. I know now listen this podcast, but anyway. So if you can't learn a full language, number one tip consider learning key phrases in the language groups that you often see. Yeah, don't abort that's a word. No ABORTO. It's easy in Spanish. No ABORTO. Your baby is precious to God. So Baby Espresciosa, because is in Spanish, but you may not. I in generally, I think in the United States that is going to be the predominant language. But I'm not going to say in every free area. Maybe your area there's there's someone else or some other language that that is more spoken. But what we have here is we've compiled a cheat sheet in Spanish. I'm not sure it's still in our GIG bag, it should be, and we put the top phrases. So think about what are the things you say most often in English? Use that translator. Google, Google has a google translate later APP, but use a translator or a native speaker. Yeah, and do...

...we have that cheat sheet? You know, you said we have it locally in our GIG bags. It's our bag with all of our sheets and things, one liners, and that's where we have our literature that our teams pick up and they take into the sidewalk. Yeah, do we have a file that made? You can put in the maybe we can put in the arch that we could on the art call it. Maybe send it out to our national missionaries also, because, yeah, because we've already compiled one and and so if we'll try and get that to you all. But but it really is a good idea to have a cheat sheet of the main things you would need to say and just copy the main things that you say. Yeah, to lead a woman to life. So, yeah, so key phrases using the phone language APP. So Du a league lingo is is one that teaches you a language, but Google translate is is one of them. A lot of people use that. I use one called instant translator. Yeah, or it might be instant translate, and I reck command that. I tell the story I once led a woman to the Lord and choosing life for her baby in Swahili. Yeah, okay, that's to me. That's my claim to be. Yeah, I think he's podcast about I think we might have and and, and that was fully using instant translator. Yeah. So instant translator also as a free and a paid possibility, and I started off with the free APP. It is not sufficient, okay, because you can only use maybe five or six interactions and it stops. Okay, and we're going to have way more than that. Yeah, so I it was four hundred and ninety nine. I think maybe it's five hundred and ninety nine. It's worth getting the paid APP. I really like it because they it speaks it and writes it both languages, okay. And so the advantage of that is so many times when you use a translating APP, Google, Google translate. Is Is this true? Of that it hears something you didn't say right and that can be very dangerous, depending on what it heard. Sure it can actually completely change it to the opposite. I've had that happen. You don't know that if it hasn't written and out in both languages. Yeah, so I do strongly recommend instant translator, I think. Yes, the best I found and the pay DAPP. Yeah, I've used Google translator or Google translate. Actually helped a up will choose life using that. So maybe saved yeah, just using the Google translate APP. Yeah, it's pretty cool because it'll even translate. I'm sure the instant translate at that you're talking about. Maybe it does the same thing that you can actually do use the camera and you can point the camera toward text and you don't own the screen change the text to whatever language you choose. It's kind of creepy and we think that instant translate does that. But that, but that's really good. Also, what I discovered the last time I did this. The last time I counseled a Hispanic woman using instant translator because she didn't speak a word of English and she's in a country that speaks English. She knew about translation APPs. She had her own, yeah, and pulled it up on her phone because she was familiar with it. So each of us had our own phone using our own translating APP and we had a great conversation. She chose life. It was really useful. The wonderful thing about this you may all think it's Oh dear, someone's coming. They don't speak English. What do I do? It is a actually an advantage because in our facility the pro abortion crowd comes streaming over to tell them all kinds of lies about us and try and talk them into going in. Yeah, but very few of them speak Spanish, right, or whatever the language is, and so they cannot, you know, the sabotage. Yeah, the only stand kind of think this person is just a whack job. They just come over screen and likely it is. It has...

...been to our benefit because I've got the APP open and she's already established, you know, trusting me a little bit using that APP. So the other advantage, which you may not think about, but I thought about after the last conversation, because it was successful. Yeah, not that I did everything right. I'm sure, I didn't, and you can be unsuccessful and do everything right. Right. So I want to make sure I make that point. But it did end well, the last one, and I've got that whole conversation there. Yeah, written now recorded. What a great training tool, right. Yeah, that could be. Or just for yourself if it went south and you are thinking why, you can review what you've done and you can learn from it. Yeah, so there's that. There's that advantage of the APPS. Yeah. So we have pamphlets also available in different languages. Yeah, that's another thing that I think every place should have. Yeah. Well, currently we have our hope is here pamphlet, the one that we hand out as people are going into the abortion center, in English and in Spanish. Right, that's that's the only two languages we have an in. Right. We have a post abortive brochure that we hand out for those who've had an abortion. That currently now is just in English, but it's being worked on to be in Spanish. Yeah, I know that. If we have if you're in a city, if you're in a love life city, and you're seeing being maybe a consolidated group of people from another language, maybe other than Spanish or English, we'd certainly be more than willing to look into get in a pamphlet that a version of that in whatever language you think for sure. Yeah, but there's other things out there too, beyond just our literature. If you're not in a love life city or whatever, there's resources out there. Of course, there's Gospel tracks and all kinds of languages as well, and those are important to have. I'm not sure, but I would guess Ray Comfort he has a great little tract. It's like life in the womb or something like that. It talks about the Babies Development and Shas the Gospel and I'm sure he has it in Spanish. I haven't looked, but he has a lot of it try, I guess, in Spanish and maybe another language as well. So that's something to look into. The tidy tiny hands that hold my heart, those brochures of those booklets that we've used in the past, they have those in Spanish. So I think you can go to tiny hands book dotcom or Dot Org, something like that. You can probably just google search it and they have it in English and in Spanish. So there's some options there for that. Yeah, many times I will call someone that I know speak Spanish as again the dominant right, but we have other people that speak other languages that are on a list, and that's kind of the next, I think, important thing for you to do as leg work prior to being on the sidewalk, if you can collect the names and phones of people, maybe friends, people in your church, who speak a different language and they would be willing to translate by phone. Right. So I've put Connie, is our Spanish speaking translator, one of them. I'll put her, I'll call her. She almost always is available and we'll pick up and I'll tell her very quickly I've got a mom on board the mobile oat sound unit right now with me and we need a Spanish translator. I'm going to put you on speaker phone. Can you just talk with her now? Connie is also a trained counselor so I don't usually even have to say anything, at least through part of it. During the ultrasound I will tell Connie what we're seeing and what to be saying, but during just sharing the gospel or sharing our resources, Connie's trained and she will say it. But we have had times, just this Saturday, I think this past Saturday, a Spanish speaking person that was at our love life March came running over to help and she didn't know what to say. She was not a...

...counselor, but Courtney, your wife, and the counselor, our counselor, told her what to say and she was able to translate. But you can do it by phone. Remember that that you could put them on speaker phone and that has been very effective. Of Again, we've led women to the Lord, we've had women choose life. Yeah, just by having on the speaker phone someone who speaks whatever that language is. And if that someone maybe you have a counselor that comes out to the sidewalk on a regular basis that would also be willing to be on call for these situations. Then you essentially would just be able to hand the phone or have them on speaker phone. You don't necessarily have to directly talk and they translate. If they know how to talk to a woman at an abortion center, just get them on the speaker phone and let them take over. Yeah, you know, it's it. That's good point and something a little aside that I've learned doing this is, even though I don't know what the translators saying, when I maybe I'm holding the phone for them. I look straight into the eyes of the woman and nod and smile and act as though it's me speaking to her. Yeah, because she has to trust me. I'm the person that's in front of her and and so I may not understand a single word, but I'm acting like I can and nodding and and, you know, I hope I'm not in two good things. I think I am, but I think that's important to remember to keep your eyes on the woman, even if it's not you speaking, so that she's feeling that relationship develop. Yeah, and then another kind of pointer tip that you have here in this article, yeah, is announcing the need at prayer walks. Our prayer walks for a lot of our cities are going on on a weekly basis, so there's different churches, different people that are coming out and so putting out there at the end of the prayer walk we give a call to connect and one of those connection pieces is sidewalk outreach. We need people will out here on the sidewalks and you can get specific, though. We're seeing a lot of people that speak Swahili. Maybe she was the only one, but right you never know. I don't we've seen a lot of people here actually that speak Nepali. I don't know what's the language exactly. Okay, I don't know. Time past have yeah, sure, and there's actually in a poly church in the Charlotte area that we have a connection with, so we can get someone on the phone. Yeah, actually, Russian. I actually have seen and we do have a couple of people that do speak Russian. Yeah, that are on you know, I've got them on my phone. Yeah, so you can put that out there at the prayer walks and just say, hey, we need people out here on the sidewalk. They can speak Spanish, or we need people that are willing to be on call. So that's that's a need you can put out there right for people. Yeah, yeah, this is a really important one. The next point that I raised in the article be aware that immigration status can affect the decision to abort. Okay, kind of a bit of an aside, because it's not like I'm talking specifically about speaking their language, right, but if you have I I tell you I see this all the time, a Hispanic woman who is crying. She agrees with everything I say through the translator and she's still saying that she has to abort, have in the back of your mind that the reason might be that she is in this country undocumented and she's terrified that we will report her to the authorities and that she doesn't have health care or whatever because she can't get it because she's undocumented. Knowing that I have approached this issue very carefully, I don't even want to tell her I suspect that, because that might make her even more frightened, yeah, and drive her into a board. So I will say something along the lines of if you fall through the insurance cracks or for whatever reason, you are concerned that you will not get healthcare or or help,...

...please know that we we will help you no matter what, no questions asked, and particularly we have an our area, a doctor who will see people for free when they fall through the health insurance yeah, at which is usually means because they're indocumented. Yeah, if not every area may have that right, but if you can try to find that, it's valuable because it is, I would say, in many cases, one of the major reasons that a Hispanic woman is here choosing to abort. She's here undocumented and it's afraid she's going to be reported. And sometimes I will say, we don't care whether you're here legally or illegally, we just care that we want to help your baby, right. Yeah, so, yeah, it's good. That's good to be aware of that, for sure. Right. The next thing that you have here in the articles, I think is really important, is try to know the culture. Yeah, do the best you can. Now, this, I think this does speak to the language barrier. Right, they say people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. Yeah, people don't care if you know their language if they don't think that you care about them. In a way, to show people you care about them is being sim sensitive to their culture and, yeah, understanding their culture. There's some differences. They were talking about people that are Spanish speaking. Yeah, the culture is different, as a matter of fact, with most cultures in the Spanish speaking world. Yeah, Hispanic Culture, whatever you want to call it, is family oriented. It is so speaking to those situations, speaking to family situations. Maybe the situation is such that the young lady is afraid that her parents are going to find out she's pregnant outside of marriage. mean, that's across the board pretty well, a concern for no matter what culture you're from, but in particular in this culture, we can kind of speak to that, speak to that family dynamic and really speak to the fact that that baby is part of her family. So that's just one example. Yeah, if you have others, I do have a couple of others in where I was going with this, but but one of them speaking about Hispanic groups. They they're usually the easiest to convince, not to a board, and that's, I think, part of what you said. And also because they believe in God. Overwhelmingly they do believe in God. They I may not agree with how they their beliefs in totality, but when they believe in God, just saying what would God have you do to a Hispanic woman often brings tears because they know what God would have them do. The other culture, though, and I think we may have talked about this in another podcast, but I will reiterate it because I think it's important, one of the hardest people groups, I would say, to convince. Don't aboard our people from India. Yeah, is is kind of been my experience. Yeah, and I don't want to stereotype people. People it's not that's not always the case, but generally that is my experience and we have a counselor whose family is from India. I think she herself may even have been born in India, but she certainly knew the culture and she said they don't believe it's a baby until it takes its first breath. Yeah, and therefore a lot of our talking points are not going to work with with people that believe that. But she said they are very family oriented and they they will protect their family at all costs. They will protect their elders at all cause they'll bring in their MOMS and their dad's when when they need more care, as opposed to sending them to a nursing home. Very family focus. So she said focus on that. So talking about the baby as their son or daughter, a member of your family only. I now will say that every...

...single time I see well, often with with all people groups, but especially with with people from India or who look Indian. Yeah, this is a member of your family, this is your son or your daughter, and you are charged to protect your son or your daughter. That carries more weight for them because then it's in the terms of their culture, you protect family and you love family. Yeah, so those are the two that I brought out in the article. I'm sure there might be other like people, groups, culture, cultural groups that if you, if you know, you see a lot of that particular group, find out about what they believe about babies, the unborn child and their culture, and those can help you in knowing how to specifically speak to them. Yeah, absolutely, that's good. That's good. Yeah, well, I guess we'll wrap up with our last point here. Yeah, and that's something we talk about oftentimes. Yep, and that's conveying compassion, and it's conveying compassion through the tone of your voice and the look on your face like you want to connect with them, let them see compassion. Yeah, you guys have heard me say it often is to suffer with them. Calm is with and passion is suffering. So to suffer with them, even though you're not exactly understanding the whole, the totality the situation, even using a translator app there's some things that are going to be missed. You can, you can get the general idea of what's going on in their situation, but you're going to probably miss some things. But you know that there's some struggle there, especially with their you know when they're crying in front of you and they're just there's fear, there's anxiety going on. We want to identify with that. Yeah, and make sure our tone. What you don't want to do is do the idiotic thing that often times we do when people don't understand our language, is we get louder. Don't you understand? You know, we talk slower and louder like somehow, somebody that doesn't understand our language at all, if we just say it's slower and louder, somehow they're going to understand us. Right, like, don't do that, because that's that's not going to convey compassion and a connection with that person in identification with their struggles. Slow down, you know, calm down. You're excited because somebody stopped and talked with you. You're trying to fumble and get your translator APP out or get somebody on the phone. It's calm down, trust the Holy Spirit to move through you. Right. I think that's that's your very last point right this article, is trusting the Holy Spirit. Like God. God does miraculous things. Yeah, you believe he does or not? God can give you in the moment the words to say you can speak in a supernatural language like God still does that stuff. There was a story I heard a guy in Florida that reaches out at the abortion center there that God supernaturally gave him the ability to understand the language that he didn't previously understand. So trust God to do that. That's not going to be the normative experience way, but God can do that. But also trust that the Lord can use just the look on your face, that the Lord can use just the fact that you're willing to be there and talk with them and connect them with somebody does speak their language or whatever. Just trust that the Lord can use that to move their hearts toward life, toward him. Even the you know, the compassion and sorrow on your face as you say the the one phrase. Maybe you know, NOA Borto. I'm remembering a specific situation where that's what I did, Noah Borto, and I open the pamphlet to the aborted baby and pointed to it, because we have a picture of a an aborted child, and the woman again started crying. She actually went in, but she came out and chose life. Yeah, so the Holy Spirit will bring things to your heart and mind. The Holy Spirit might also bring miraculously someone who speaks that language and that moment that has happened to us. I can so many times. Yeah, so many times. So I hope those are all tips that will help people know that we can do this even when...

...the people don't speak the language that we speak. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty amazing what the Lord will do when make ourselves available. And just want you guys know that we appreciate you who are serving out on the sidewalks, making yourself available to be a mouthpiece for the Lord. Just believe and trust that the Lord will help you overcome the language barriers and hopefully these are some tips that will help you do that. I would encourage you to reach out us. You can reach out to me, Daniel, I love life dot Org. You reach her, Vicki, I love life dot Org. We'd love to hear from you. Maybe have some questions or some comments to make about this episode or other episodes. So, yeah, please reach out. Please also share this podcast episode with others that you think it would be a blessing to leave us a review, if you can find out how to do that. Some services, some podcast services, it's not easy to find out how to leave us a review, but if you're able, please leave us a five star review. That would be a tremendous blessing and helping get this podcast out to more people. But until next time, God bless God, bless you all our love for love. Give me our love for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious in some you.

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