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Gospel-Centered Pro-Life Podcast

Episode · 1 year ago

Sidewalk Training: Offering Literature

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Literature is a powerful and effective way to share the truth and help abortion-minded women choose life. In this episode, we give some practical tips and insights on how to offer literature in the most impactful way.

I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me. Lord, I am welcome to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. We're going to continue to train, and today we're going to talk about handing out literature. What are some good pieces of literature to hand out and how to do it effectively? Stay with us as we talk about this important subject. I felt show passish, touch your heart, use me. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. Appreciate you guys, joining us as we continue to do some training and help equip you guys to be effective at the abortion centers. Help encourage you guys, those who've been out there for a while, we want to encourage you with maybe just some ways you can do things differently or just remind you of some things you already know. Those who are brand new, would encourage you to step out in faith and use some of the principles that we're teaching you in these podcasts to reach out to women, to see lives changed and the Gospel go forth. Baby saved all of that. Yep. So training, training is is necessary to really build our confidence, I think. Yeah, and really have the confidence that I think it takes to to convey to a woman who doesn't have confidence that she can trust the Lord, that she can trust you with the information that you're sharing with her. And we're going to talk about information. We're going to talk about I think several podcasts ago we talked about gathering information and stuff like that, I believe, but now we're talking about how to pass out this information right, and in particular, we're talking about brochures that you pass out the sure's tracks. Yeah, ever, that that conveys what you need them to know in order to make a choice for life. Yeah, right. And we've seen baby saved by simply a mom getting a brochure, going into the parking lot, grabs a brochure, doesn't stop and talk, but takes that brochure. Some of them taken inside the abortion clinic. Yep, and that's was is he story? It was actually it happened today. That happened that today one of our counselors. A car stopped for her in the road. She handed them a brochure. She had very little time to speak with her. Plus the woman was Hispanic and didn't speak much English, so she gave her one of our Hispanic brochures. They drove in. Actually, they didn't even drive in, they didn't even enter. They told us they were there for an abortion, but they did not even enter the she looked at the brochure and they drove on past wow and never came back. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, so God uses this information. The podcast we did, what we interviewed is he been a while ago? And Yeah, how long ago it's been? Yeah, but her testimonies basically that she got a brochure going into the abortion center, didn't even really stop and she didn't stop and talk. She didn't even stop and tell on her way out that she was choosing life. Right, she got the information, like I mentioned, that had your number on the back of it, right, and called you a couple months later said hey, that help that you guys were calling out about? I want to take advantage of that. We were able to connected with the mentor. They'd give her a baby shower and she's been a friend of the family ever since. She has babies to now. So we're going to talk about passing out information. I'll talk about maybe some of the most, I think, effective information to hand out and q you guys in on if you're one of our missionaries would love life. You should already have information. But on a key you guys in on some available information that we have on the sidewalks for life website. So there is a section there where we have downloads, where you can just download. We have signage and this is kind of just it's not branded with any particular brand or anything like that. Sidewalks for life is not a brand. It's just a website that we have for equipping and we've thrown some things out there. And in the section printable resources, you'll see that at the top there's some literature. There's two brochures that we designed some years back that are really pointed and focused on the women going into the abortion center. They say hope and help for you on the front. One of them has a graphic image inside of a victim of abortion. We think that can be effective some people. Maybe you're not comfortable with sharing that, so we have one available that doesn't have that graphic image inside. We may talk a little bit about that using graphic images and information that you hand out right but just wanted to key you guys in on that. Available with these are downloads. You can just click on the picture of it and right hand corner. There should be a download button been on the browser that you use. You download that, take it to a local print shop that can print it. It's a trifold, so you'll have to tell them that maybe there's an online resource for this. I don't haven't found on Vista print. A lot of people use Vista print that they have a trifold of this size that you can get them to print out for you. But it's...

...just there for you guys to do with what you feel is best and totally free. Yeah, he provided because we've we've had a lot of experience out here. We kind of know what sorts of information the people are really most maybe swayed by. Yeah, and that's what we've tried to get into. Yeah, those pressures, because you know, the whole reason for handing out those psures, brochures is that in almost every abortion center that someone is going to minister at, you're going to have limited time and limited access. Yeah, and so how can you reach women given those limitations? And a brochure can talk to them for a quite a while. Yeah. Yeah, with the words that you were unable to say, but they can then see it for themselves. Absolutely and maybe you don't feel it all comfortable in a one on one conversation. Yeah, and you just hand them a brochure. I mean, I would hope that you would have some things that you could say along with that, but if nothing else, it's kind of like sharing the Gospel. Give them a Gospel track, right. Yeah, it speaks volumes and it can say what you can't. Yeah, can say what maybe you don't feel your equip to say. Yeah, and I'm the brochure. Yeah, that God deal with them. So you've kind of started thinking about, well, what sorts of brochures, then, are are important? And we've kind of we've written an article that goes along with this. Well, we dis we did it, that's true. I did it all on my own. So, yeah, but that's okay. What takes you forty seven minutes takes me forty seven days as far as writing is concerning. That's why Vicki writes all of these articles, but I do plant the seeds sometimes, of the ideas for the articles do, and you can always expound upon my framework in ways that I cannot, which is why we make a good team. makes us like a dynamic that do add this sense, for sure, yeah, well, so the things I want to mention, and maybe you do, Gosh, being as she's carefully read over. Actually did read over this article, but I read a lot of stuff. Can't always remember what I read and what I didn't read. But I want to mention something that I mentioned in just talking to some folks the other day about handing out information. Someone's asking me about I kind of like what we hand out and why we don't hand out particular information like this information, that information, and one of the things I said, and maybe you disagree, okay, but I think you'll agree because I'm right. Okay, yeah, humbly. I say that humbly. The most humble man they ever lived other than Moses. Yeah, I mean, I'll tell him how to be humble. That I say. There's something, but less is more right in this situation. Yeah, because I've been to places where I've observed ministry people doing the best they can. So I'm not nitpicking anyone, I'm not trying to point out anyone. If you do this, I'm sorry, it's not you I'm talking about. I'm talking about somebody else right, but where they like will hand out a whole bag full of information. So they'll be like a Bible in there or a New Testament or some book that talks about abortion, just a bunch of stuff. And you got to think, though, from the mindset of a scared young mother going into the abortion center. If you give her a whole bag of stuff, I would bet you none of it's going to be read. Right. You really need something that gets right to the point. Yeah, that really speaks to her heart. You think about in our day and age, where a bullet point, you know, just glimpse, get it in a glimpse kind of society. You got to be thinking like kind of social media mindset. Right, you're scrolling through and you see a long bunch of words on a Social Media Post. I mean you don't because you're you're a rider and a reader. You don't keep scrolling, but I do. Yeah, I do sometimes that it's you're near absolutely right. You're absolutely right. You you give them. You know the whole how the Bible was created. Yeah, you know. They that's not the pressing issue is, why should I get an abord and why shouldn't I just talk me out of it if that's what I shouldn't do. Yeah, absolutely. Now, do think it's appropriate, which we do in the brochure, that we have to weave the Gospel, of course, and to weave scriptural truth into it. Right, right, these scriptural foundational truths are important. After all, if God's word didn't tell us that human beings are made in the image of God, then what in the world are we even doing out there trying to get people not to kill their children right there? Right, I mean people killed dogs and cats all the time, running over from on the road and stuff, and we don't stand out there and plead with them not to do that? Yeah, because their value is different. Right, because the Bible says so, although I don't want people killing cats and dogs on the road, I just want to make sure you know that I understand. I don't would stop them, but you, but you might get your point, you get my point or not. Because God says human beings are made in the image of God. Right, we do what we do. The value of human life is based on what God says in his word, and so we put his word in our brochures. I really think it is appropriate to put God's word in the brochures, but I do not think it's appropriate to have a whole book...

...trying to give it to somebody going into the abortion center that explains all the the scriptural proof that human beings are made in the image of God and why abortion is wrong based on the scriptures and all this other stuff. Right. So, so pick the most salient scripture that is most convincing and convicting. Yeah, that gets right to the point that it sets to the to the heart. Yeah, and I think really are three talk points that we talk about are important if you're going to use a brochure, right, and that brochure out. Yeah, those three talking points expounding on those. A brochure that does that, I think is effective. Yeah, it's right to. Yeah, why they're they're right. And so so that is kind of the first category of brochures that we have. We are focusing on the abortion minded woman entering the abortion clinic. Yeah, and so our informational brochure is we include the three talking points, we include the very important critical Bible verses and then and some of the resources. Yeah, right, and we also include explanations of abortion procedures. Right, that's something that's kind of I wouldn't say it's necessarily out of the framework of the three talking points that we talked about, because I think if you talk about abortion procedures in that you're describing the humanity of the baby right, because you're talking about what these procedures actually do to the baby. So I think that comes under the framework, yeah, of the humanity of the baby. But I think it's important because many of these women go into the abortion centers and have no clue. They think that abortion, you know, suction, abortion, is just kind of like this magic thing, that surgical thing that happens and their babies not yet a person and it's going with their life, or the abortion pills just this magic peel that they swallow and their baby disappears and good, the problems disappearing, the going with their life. When you can describe to them, which we do, and this brochure that we hand out and this brochure that we've made available to you guys on the sidewalks for life website, it breaks that stuff down and it kind of tears off that overlay in the lies that this is just some kind of sterile medical procedure, surgical procedure. It really shows the act of violence that abortion is and I think that's a powerful way to help a mom choose life for her baby. It is and I have had many, many moms, including one I'm still been counseling for many months, who would not look at or explore for herself what happened in an abortion because she said, I don't want to see it. She was very open. I don't want to see it. I know it's probably terrible. Yeah, so we think it's important that you see it. This is a life for death decision for a little human being. This is something you need to know, yeah, what you're going in and doing. Yeah, and so just to kind of circle back around on the point that I was making, I think just one piece of literature, one brochure, giving that to the women going into the abortion side, is enough. Yeah, and I think any more than that, and this is from personal experience and this is from talking to women that we've talked to over the years, yeah, and seeing it firsthand, I think any more than that it's too much. Yeah, and I think there could be a sense in which we're trying to load people up with information, to cover every subject under the sun, really to absolve our self of guilt, because we might feel like, in one sense, we want to touch every subject so we're not guilty of not saying everything that needs to be said. Yeah, through literature. Yeah, and you can never say everything that needs to be said. As a matter of fact, the things that need to be said, I think, are in the brochure that we use. And again, if you are one of our missionaries with love life, hopefully you're getting our brochures. The hope is here brochures right. And again, if you're not one of our missionaries, we've made available this brochure which is pretty much the same, so a little different than what our missionaries hand out and our folks in our various cities hand out, but it's something that you guys can print off and you can hand out. There's some other places you can get brochures and things like that. On a Ray Comfort's website, they've got a track there that's really focused on, I think ministry, at abortion centers at least talks about the issue of abortion. The one hundred and eighty tract, I believe it's a little life in the womb. Has the one hundred and eighty movie a link to that on the back? Yeah, I think it's. Think it's called life in the womb. It's a smaller drive of babies in the womb and right. Yeah, yeah, and of course Ray Comfort's going to be sharing the Gospel, right, the Gospel's greatly let out. The brochure that we hand out has a clear explanation of the Gospel along the framework of what Ray Comfort would share. You know, the law breaks down, the law and our guilt because of our sin before God and then the solution, which is Jesus. Yeah, and so I think that that's very important. Yeah, so that's the first group, that women coming in, and one piece of information. I completely agree with you. In most cases, that is all you need to be handing them. And then we actually use a different brochure for the women who stopped for us, who are leaving, yeah, who are therefore post abortive. Yeah, and that that does have different information on it. Now that's some than that. Currently we only have here locally, okay, so we don't have a national...

...brochure. Are Missionaries and other cities we don't have yet something created for them to be able to use all their that is in the works. Is the framework for it on the sidebox for life. So it's not they're either. So there's not a post abortive. So, folks, they're just bug Daniel and one day you two can have it, because it is really they are different. The the needs and what you're going to focus on. To a woman going into the abortion center who has not yet aborted, you're trying to convince her for why she should not abort. Yeah, but a woman leaving as someone who now is going to deal with the aftermath of abortion, the guilt, the sorrow or maybe just the even rejection that she's done something awful and is going to just bury it. Yeah, and it's stuff it and that is that's not good either. So we do have a brochure that that deals with that and, if you know, I think it's important for everyone to think about what are some things that might be the information you would want on that kind of a brochure. But we do share the gospel. Again, but there's a greater than focus on forgiveness. Yes, we don't focus on on when they're on their way in because they'll use it to bolster their idea that abortion is okay. Yeah, but but also talking about healing resources for post abortive women, which is really critical. And why that so critical in part is a third of abortions are return abortions. So you really want to reach these women who have had the abortion, because maybe that baby that day was not saved. But through healing resources, the Gospel and talking with these women coming out, you might be able to prevent future abortions. Yeah, save future babies. Yeah, and again, sadly we don't have that brochure available to be able to share with everybody nationally. Yeah, it's really kind of locally focus. It has your testimony in it, right. Yeah, but we are again to try to tweak that and craft that to be able to share more nashally. Yeah, even put it on the sidewalks for life website. Yeah, one thing I will mention resource that we've used in the past for post aboard of healing to hand out at the abortion centers is a brochure called healing the hurt. Right, come from focus on the family. I mean it's good, I guess, in a pinch, although, unless they've updated it, I don't really like it. As far as the Gospels Concern Yeah, I do not think it really clearly lays out that abortion is sin, yeah, and that it needs to be repented of. Now, I think there's there's a heavy handed way that that could come across. Right. Yeah, you know, you need to repent. You're going to burn in Halee to a woman who's already broken. I don't think we need to convey that kind of message, right, but I think it can be laid out very clearly that abortion is sin. Like if we don't talk about abortion being sin in a brochure that we're handing out. We want people to be healed of the hurt that is abortion. Now understand and we understand that it's not just the woman that's hurt through abortion, but the baby is tortured. Right, and then needs to be like. That has to be a you got to talk about that, right, because she will deal with that one day in her own heart and mind. I know from experience that it and it took many, many decades before I really dealt with what did I do, what happened to that child? So it'll be dealt with. No matter where you stand on the abortion line, you will one day think about that and it be really important to help her to think about it sooner rather than later. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so healing the hurt. When we use we've used those, always put a gospel track in them, right, because I think they are good in some sense. They have some truths in there that can really help people. I guess. Well, not, I guess I know get the healing that they need. Yeah, but the Gospel is not laid out clearly at all in that very sure. Yeah, and they're kind of wordy. They're they're pretty. There's a lot of information in them, once again kind of violating the first rule that we said, which is try to keep it really as short as possible or they're just not going to read it. Yeah, yeah, what's they're kind of expensive. I'm just looking on for family's website right now. I M I tried. Twenty five of them. Are Twelve and fifty. Yeah, so you know, you're handing out bunches of those. You'll go through the pretty quick I don't know, Daniel, don't, don't put man on a spot like that. You got your computers. Okay, Ye, it's well, that's not terrible, but it's still yeah, it's a cup of coffee. But another another group that you are going to see frequently. Well, every share, every time any abortion. I would be remiss not to mention the connection that we have within love life with a ministry called restored life and we're talking about okay. So, yeah, Stephanie Ron Hart, who's local here but also has a national focus and she's created a network of post aboard of healing ministries...

...across the nation, I think across the world. This wow. So if a woman was to call her from Utah, she knows somebody in Utah that she can connect that woman with. It can take them through a post aboard of healing. Yeah, and so if you maybe you want to create something yourself locally to use to reach out to post a board of women that are coming out some information to handle them, check out restored life. You can google search, you can go on our website and love life's website and you can find restored life. Or I think she forget the website address. Silly for me. Don't know that right now, but google it or email me. Definitely can connect you guys with Stephanie and we actually have some some are her cards that we can hand out to and get it to people that are coming out of the abortion center. So, and I didn't want to mention that. Yeah, that's a good point. And even if you don't have a post aboard of brochure, just having that information. I know of an online abortion healing may be. Putting that on just a piece of paper that you print, print out and with a maybe pick a Bible verse. That's going to lead her at least to begin to think about what she has done in terms of God. That's that's useful. Yeah, that's that's helpful and anyone can do that. Yeah. So it looked at her website and I'm sure she's got a contact it's got a contact tab there. You can connect with her and she'd probably send you a stack of her business cards. Yeah, but it's restored life dot us. So okay. So that's another resource. Or maybe you have a connection to a local pregnancy center that has a post aboard of healing study or class or whatever, and you can get some cards for them. I think having something tangible to hand out is powerful though it is, it's just that you are saying you don't just care, because we're always accused you just care about the baby and nothing about the women. Well, we prove that that's a lie because we're still there when they're coming out. Yeah, and we're handing them offers of help and hope. So, so, yeah, those are all good points. But then, thirdly, in the types of brochures, typically that that we distribute at at the abortion center, we give information to the abortion workers at Johnson's ministry has all kinds of literature. She she can send that to you. Yeah, abortion workercom has a whole wealth of information and that is you know, if there's no abortion workers then there's no abortion. So so you do want to if you can, send them things that will may make them decide, hey, I don't want to work here any yeah. Yeah, absolutely so. Yeah, like you mentioned, we have business cards that I think Abby Johnson and her ministry have sent us. Right, they just say I forget what they say, but has the abortion workercom website? Yeah, and that has a phone number they can call and it just lists the things that that they will do to help the women and it's pretty amazing what they will do to help help the abortion workers to leave the industry. Yeah, absolutely so. No one that types of brochures. That's kind of the first step of how to pass out information. Yeah, and I will mention that there are some other resources, some other I think it's heritage house. I keep on saying I think this. I think that is it should have all these websites memorize and all this. I think it's h seventy six dot org has some brochures there that are available for like, I think, for Down Syndrome. If someone thinks that they have a baby that has down syndrome, you can hand them that brochure. You. I don't think loading people up with a bunch of brochures is helpful, but if you, you know, are having a one on one conversation so with someone and they mentioned this or mentioned this subject or that subject, to have a brochure that's appropriate. Yeah, is helpful as they're mentioning a subjects. Yeah, I know I don't do this so much anymore, but I used to collect all the verses in the Bible, or a good number of them, that talked about sexual purity. Yeah, and when someone would come in and talk about that, they are living with the boyfriend or whatever and they claim to be a Christian, I would have that list of verses printed out, those verses printed out, and I would hand it to them and say, well, you might want to check this out and see what God has to say. Yeah, about that, because if you're claiming that you love Jesus. Well, he he talks a lot about sexual purity in the Bible. Yeah, outside of marriage. So so again looking on the Internet. Thankfully I have my computer right here in front of me. Good, so I can look to find out as I'm forgetting them, but it's hundred and seventy six dot Org. Okay, and they've got his heritage. Heritage House is the ministry. They've got a bunch of literature there. They've got you're considering an abortion. It's one of their brochures. Come ten reasons I want to abort, and so it goes through and just kind of talks about these ten reasons. I haven't read these, don't know how great they are. He has an abortion for reversal pamphlet. That maybe be good to have and to hand out. That's a good thing to have. Yeah. So, anyway, for those who are not a a part of love life, there's these resources that are available in the heritage house,...

...right. Yeah, so, so you got to have the brochures that that you know, be prepared with, with at least some brochures. And the next, next important step, and I know, Daniel, you spend a lot of time training our love life missionaries. And well then, what where do you stand? How do you situate yourself? Because all the brochuares in the world, if you've got them, but you can't hand them out because you don't know where to go. How To situate yourself strategically? Yeah, they won't do any good, they won't do the women any good. Correct. Yeah, just have brochures but not be able to give them. Price hands as yeah, it's worthless, right. Yeah. Yeah, so what are some things that we can think about then in terms of placing ourselves? Yeah, I know every setting is different, so obviously you're going to have to look at your own setting, but there are some kind of general principles, I think. Yeah. Well, I think if you're going to be like we are and an abortion center with vehicular traffic, right, you want to be at the driveway, the main driveway. Yeah, and typically there is a main driveway where abortion patients are pulling in. I would find out some of it were. Some abortion centers might have two driveways. Maybe they got a like kind of like wind over here, not toy far from where we are. Yeah, there's a front driveway in a back driveway. People do come in both driveways, but we position people at the front driveway because we know it's the most most traveled driveway where people come in and we have limited team size. So you know, sometimes you do have limitations and how many people you have them where you can place them. Yeah, yeah, so I kind of look at like priority spots, like about if there was only one person out here, where would that person be? and to me, if it's an abortion center with vehicular traffic, it would be at the main driveway. If there's bills, only me out there, I would position myself at the main driveway. I would not move from that position the whole time I was there. I'd be focusing on the people coming in and I will be trying to get literature into their hands. Yeah, from that position typically I can call out if I need to kind of shift rolls for a second rather than hand out literature, calling out to people going in, but I will focus at that main driveway. Another thing if you just have foot traffic, is to like for our folks in Manhattan, position yourself between wherever the most visited bus stop or train stop is, where the we're most people are coming from, and every direction that is between that, that area and the front door of the abortion center. Yeah, you know. So position yourself either on the right hand or left hand side of the door of the abortion center, based on where people are coming from. Kind of looking. You know, you have to do your own kind of research and figure out where people are coming from. But if you can position yourself where you can reach from both directions people that are coming that's that's fine too. But I really kind of look at priority positions and even I'll go on Google maps and figure out where the major interstates are where people would be coming to the abortion center from, and based on that, I'll google map it and see which direction they're coming from, so I know which direction to focus my attention. And you know that. That's amazing that you do that and I know you do that because we're on a loop the street that the abortion center that we minister at predominantly it's on a loop and the cars can come from either direction and depending on what gps they use, they determine the direction they come from. So we'll watch. Sometimes we know because GPS today is sending them down, you know, the other end of the road, but we'll watch and we will always position our are people when we have extra people up the road in the direction that we know the cars are coming from so that we can stop them. So have you ever noticed, Anuel, that it is sometimes easier if you can get them the information in their hands further away from the abortion center? Yeah, so, you know, up the road or whatever. Yeah, I mean, obviously getting them information before they get down to the battle zone right in front of the abortions is good. If you've got enough people to do that. That's an effective way to reach them. Get them to pull over to the side of the road when you're dealing with vehicular traffic, yeah, or you stop and talk with you if you're dealing with foot traffic. Yeah, getting them, yeah, before they're about to go in the door is as good, right, do yeah. Yeah, I feel like the pool of evil is just stronger and stronger the closer and closer and usually the contention and pro abortion. Yeah, if you got pro abortion people especially, oh, it's so hard. If you can, yeah, if you can stop folks and get them to talk to you before they get to right there, within line of side of the abortion center, then and that's good. Now all of that is dependent upon how many team members you have, how many folks are out there with you, because I don't think you want to position yourself up the street if there's only one person there. You want to position yourself up the street away from the abortion center, because that that kind of hinders you from reaching the people who are walking in and out, calling out to them and that literature, right. Yeah, at the same time, sort of yeah. Yeah. So let's say we're position up the street and a car's coming. The next thing to think about,...

...and handing out literature, is how do you get that car to stop? Yeah, for you? Yeah, very important. And there's some people that we call them car magnets. They're really good at that. Yeah, and other people they never seem to have a car stop for them. Yeah, but we've seen things that we think help. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, we were just seeing it couple Saturdays ago and you and I were up around the corner and I think it does have to do with your body language, it does have to do with your persistence. I can stay and you know, one of the things I say is we don't want to just suggest to people with our body language and all of that, that maybe they might want to stop and take our information. But we need to be like graciously demanding, because what we have, as far as the information and the words that we can speak to them and the resources that we have for them, can be life and death, right. It could be life changing, right. Yeah. And so when we're trying to get people to stop, and now, we always talk about making ourselves approachable. So I'm not talking about being a, you know, a frantic, raving lunatic, yelling and waving your arm, stop, stop, you know. To me that's not helpful. That's going to scare more right. But I think first and foremost, smiling big old smile year to ear on your face, making eye contact as soon as possible. I mean really, what you're doing is your relationship building, right. You're doing in that split second, and that split second in that as they're driving down the roads, are walking down the sidewalk, make contact as soon as possible. That requires you guys that love to wear sunglasses, to take your sunglasses all because your eyes are the windows to your soul. Right, they need to be able to see your eyes, they need to be able to see a smile in your face. You're trying to gain their trust, so much so that you want them to stop and take information right. So you've got to you got to be approachable, you've got to make sure they understand that you know you want them to stop, and I always will make sure, if I'm trying to hand out brochures, that I have a brochure clearly visible in my hand right and so I'm holding that out with one hand. Yeah, typically with my right hand. Yeah, and then I'm with my left hand sort of like in a waving stop motion. So I might wave just a little bit, but I'm having my hand up. You guys can't see me here listening to the part, doing a stop signal, but yet with your he have my hand out like that, still smiling. Yeah, I'm doing like kind of waves stop motion like that, like you know, kind of hand back and forth. Yeah, and I'm pretty expressive. Yeah, right, I'm not just mildly passively suggesting that they might stop or just I've seen people and again, I'm not knocking anybody, I'm not trying to put anybody down, but just kind of hold the brochure out just to show the the front cover of it. Yeah, yeah, and okay, some people might stop for that. Yeah, but if you're not giving them I think you got to give people a reason to stop. You got to peek their curiosity, and so I think holding out yes, but then waving your hand and with a stop kind of signal gives them an extra reason to stop. Yeah, and I think what what you describe? So you're you're being kind of you're saying you're almost demanding, grace graciously demanding, and that all begins with what's in your heart. What's your attitude? And I love to train new volunteer saying you hold in your hand perhaps the most important thing they're going to see today, which is the reasons why God would not have them kill their baby. What you are offering is life saving. This is so important. So No, and have in your attitude what I am offering is of value, and I think if you first of all believe that yourself and know that within your heart, that's expressed, yeah, in in how you then try to flag them down. Yeah, so is that the same sort of thing you would do approaching someone walking? I'm going to be a little less. I want to be careful that I'm not coming across as intimidating anything like that. So I might be a little less expressive with my body language, because I'm trying to stop an individual that's walking rather than a vehicle, right, but I still want to smile and make eye contest. Yeah, I still want to build a relationship with them, and it can be difficult, I know, when you're on a public street, public sidewalk, especially if it's a very busy sidewalk, and you can't make out contact with every person if it's a busy sidewalk, right, but you can kind of you can tell if people are coming to the abortion center. I mean, you know the age range between eighteen and twenty five, right. Yeah, you know the the demeanor that they come with. Typically they're not smiling. Sometimes, the clothes sometimes, yeah, and so you want to think, smile and make contact. I think you want to approach them, not like just run up to them real quick, but slowly approach them if you feel confident they're coming to the abortion center with information. Of course, you're not waving with a stop motion with your hands, right, because again, they're walking up. You're not grabbing them, yea, having all of them, you're not accosting them. If you are walking up to them with information and saying I think right for it. Are you coming to the abortion...

...center have information for you. Yeah, yeah, I get the information of their hands as quick as you can. Yeah, that's that's good. And sometimes I have said, and this can backfire, yeah, but I usually, in fact, I will say if I'm walking with someone and I'm approaching them when they're walking, I will say it's okay if I walk with you for a little ways and sometimes they do say no, but almost always say they shrug and say okay, and then I feel like that is the first for me, kind of the first establishing I'm going to be respectful of you. But, like I said, a CAM backfire. When they say no, I stop, but I will call after them. Hey, I've got information that could really, really change your your decision today. Please stop it. Take my information. But then I if they've told me I can't walk with them, I won't. Yeah. So that's the danger and I guess I kind of just play that by ear. Sometimes kind of read. Yeah, read the person and yeah, yeah, absolutely, you got to kind of read the demeanor of people's faces if they feel if you can tell on their face they they feel intimidated. Yeah, that sort of thing. You want to kind of give them space. Yeah, because this kind of flight or fight situation can kick in. We certainly don't want them to fight us and we certainly, yeah, certainly don't want them to fly away either. Yeah, I Dono though. Getting information of their hands as quick as possible is important. So if they're driving a car and they stop, I would give the information right away and then kind of get into the oneonone engagements and, yeah, talking to them. If they're walking up, Yay, I have something for you. Get the information to them. They might grab that information not knowing what it is and then they find out quickly. You know, you one of those pro life people and they keep walking. Yeah, they at least got the information in their hands. I some people try to hand it back to you and I'll just say no, you need that, I won't take it back for me, they would have to throw it on the ground before I'm going to take it back. At that point, once they have it, it's there's good, and so that's that's a good that's a good suggestion. I usually feel like, okay, I'll take it back, but but you don't. Okay, I don't know. Okay, I'll let them, let them hang on to it. Yeah, I make them feel guilty if they're going to throw it on the ground. By the way, this is a total kind of nonsecquitter, but it happened today, and this, what you just shared, made me think of it. If someone is coming to the abortion center, this was someone driving and the first thing I did was what you said. Got The information in their hands and I said, are you headed to the women's center? And she said Yeah, we're is it? Don't tell them where it is. Yeah, don't tell them where it is. I know I've dealt with that several times. I had one lady begging me, yeah, to point her to where the abortion center was. He actually stopped up the road a little ways. Yeah, and I mean there was all these pro borts with signs with arrows that say clinic parking, there's all these police, there's like bearcases on a Saturday. Yeah, and like where at the Lord was blinding her eyes or something about. Certainly wouldn't going to be the the that person that points her to the that's right portion center. I that did it very gracious. They didn't say I'm going to tell you were kill your baby. Didn't say that right, but I told her it. Listen, understand, you want to go to the abortion center and I'm here to offer you help so that you don't go in there. Yeah, but I cannot in good conscience point you into the place that's going to kill your child. Right, beautiful. Yeah, and so she got kind of frustrated. Yeah, and again, graciously, I'm not just trying to be I'm not trying to be mean and I'm not trying to withhold information, but I can't do it. It's can't point you into the abortion center and by telling the truth of why you couldn't do it, you have already started the conversation back to God. Yeah, and to the value of that child and to a someone who is standing by some very strong moral convictions. All of that was communicated by saying that. So we would never say lie, you would never say tell them the wrong directions or anything like that, because that would not be honoring to God. But I just wanted to throw that out because a lot of our new counselors will face that and I've seen some of them just say, oh well, it's right there, like an don't don't tell them where it is. You don't need to help them kill their baby. But it gives you an opportunity then to either do what you did or give them your agenda, which is, let me give you information and let me tell you why I'm here. Yeah, now we'll say that I have done it before, like I have pointed women to the abortion center unknowingly, like I remember a situation in which stupid funny. Now, not funny, kind of like ironic. Yeah, we're she's asking where the abortion center is at. I'm not going to point you into the abortion center. I like point with my fingers as a point toward the abortion center, like a big dummy, and it indicated her right where it was at. Okay, so I have because I'm a talk with your hands kind of guy. Right, if you guys could see right now, I'm talking with my hand all around. It's just how I roll. Yeah, and so has as a natural reaction. If I'm thinking about a particular the location, I'll point in that direction. Yeah, and so, like keep my hands in my pocket and even your eyes, don't flick your eyes. Yeah,...

...fortunes for that young lady, though. Man. Okay, God must be blinding her highest. Yeah, it can't get more obvious. There's signs with arrows pointing you there and every passed by the yeah, the place like twice. Yeah, it's amazing. So God blinded her eyes. I'm not going to be wanted the one to open them. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So are there things that we that we've talked a lot about things to do? Yeah. Are there things that we shouldn't do? That would not be good? Yeah, I think we have that. Touched on a few of these and these principles apply, some of these at least, to whether we're calling out that we're in a one on one conversation or offering literature, any of the scenarios and which were communicating to a mom going into the abortion center. But I think number one that you have here on the list at least, and I agree it's probably on the top of the list at least, as don't be frantic, don't be just it's hard, but we want to be confident. We don't want to be conveying to a woman going into the abortion center the same stuff she's feeling in our heart, this frantic, chaotic demeanor. Right, or make sure that we got it together now. We need that we get it together by the grace of God. Right. Yeah. Another thing you have here is don't be angry or condemning. You know, I think if we out of the gate, let's say, we do all the things that I just describe to you, with literature in our hands, vehicles coming down the road, we have our hand up and to stop motion. They stop and take our information and right away we handle the informations. They don't go kill your baby. That can be a non nonstarter to the conversation. Right. I think we really need to be thinking along the lines of relationship building. We want to gain their trust, right. The abortion center has done that, the devil has done that, gained their trust. Yeah, we want them to convey that trust from the abortion center and from the lives of the devil to us. Yeah, and part of the way that we do that as our demeanor, the look on our face, the fact that we're kind, the fact that we're all ways. Yeah, the things that we say. We want to be speaking the truth, but we want to be speaking it in the love and an approachable way, in a way that keeps them engage in the conversation. Yeah, but if we ride away, get to don't go in there and murder your child. Yeah, it can be a nonstarter to a conversation. Right. Yeah, there's always the tension of you do need to speak truth. Yeah, but when do you speak it? Run, and how forcibly do you speak it? And is there can you speak it in a way that is less confront of? Yeah, initially. Yeah, and you have here along those lines. Don't be too aggressive. Yeah, we want to be approachable and when they actually do approach us, we want to be conversational, want to be relatable so that they continue to talk to us. Yeah, you have here. Don't clump up in groups so when you're trying to offer information, and this is this is hard. We fight against this constantly because out there on the side of what we love each other. When there's kind of a law in the traffic coming into the abortion center, we gravitate toward each other. We want to talk and encourage each other and we talked about scripture, we talked about the podcast, all these other things. Right, and we contend to clump up the driveway where people would typically stop and take information. You got to think again. In the mindset of a young mother going into the abortion center who scared, it's going to be hard for her to stop for just one person standing there by themselves. Right, but if you've got a group of four or five people standing there together, she ain't going to stop. That's right. I mean we've had some that do, but for the most part they're going to keep going in. They're not going to stop and taking information because it's intimidating. There is a whole group of people and they're trying to hide their sin, they're trying to, you, hide themselves. They're just going into this abortion center hoping they can get do their thing and going with their life. They don't want a bunch of people talking to them and, you know, getting in their business. Yeah, but they might allow one person, right, and and more than one person adds to that already franticness. Yeah, of what they're feeling. If you've got several people approaching, several people offering the same thing, several people talking to you, it just becomes chaotic and frantic. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so I be thinking about that. As far as where you position people. I know, just kind of a tip for people that are putting together sidewalk teams and you're thinking through some of the practical stuff and putting together sidewalk team. Is Thinking about what I talked about earlier priority positions. So as I look at, and this is what I do, look at a Google map of the abortion center, kind of an overview of it, the sidewalk in front, of the public area in front, I look, okay, where's the driveway? Yet that's priority position number one. Where would they call out from to the people walking into the abortion center? That would typically be priority position number two, and they would be thinking from there and building these positions for people to stand in, because against people purpose, the driveway person, they stand there with purpose that they're going to hand out information. The person calling out to women going into the abortion center, that person has that position. They take ownership of that position and it keeps them separated to they're they don't clump up at the driveway. You're at one particular area, but you have...

...them spread out, because it is important to be spread out, as spread out as possible so we don't look like this big intimidating group of people right there in front of the abortions. Right and the same as honestly true, if a woman decides to leave the porch or leave the abortion center and approach one of the people on the sidewalk, the tendency is for every sidewalk counselor to go zipping over because they all want to be a part of it, and I understand that you're just so overjoyed and that's what you've been waiting all morning for us to see someone actually want to talk to us. But it's best really in most cases to just let that person she for whatever reason, chose to come talk to and let them alone with her. Yeah, to build that very tenuous relationship. Yeah, absolutely. I will say as kind of a side note, because some of you guys that are listening maybe thanking maybe your missionaries with love life or you've been to a love life prayer Walker whatever, and you're thinking, okay, you're talking about not having big, intimidating groups of people in front of the abortion center. Yeah, and you guys do prayer walks where you have a big intimidate agree. That's a good point. Yeah. Yeah, well, we're intentional with our prayer walks when we're able to to do those across the street from the abortion center, to do those away from the areas where engagement would take place, and we have like just last Saturday we had a group of I think was a hundred, fifty prayer walkers on property that we own next to the abortion center. But we've not always own property. We've had more than that of the street that walk down and come and pray in front of the abortion center. Yet they do it across the street and we still have engagement with people. We still have people to come and over and new abortion minded women come and talk with us, stop and take information. The way that we position ourselves and way we position the prayer walks is very intentional. Yeah, and so we kind of get those big intimidating groups away from the areas of engagement. We do that intentionally. Yeah, and they sign a non engagement whatever contract or whatever with love life, saying they were God there. It's verbal, but they know that they are not to the the love life prayer marchers are not to engage with right women. Yeah, so that it is not overwhelming. But just so last Saturday you said was you know, you pointed out there was like a hundred fifty people and I had three good conversations carside because I was up the road away from everybody else. Yeah, and and three cars stopped and we had lengthy conversations. So even when there is a large group, if you position yourself strategically, you have an opportunity to every one of them. Took literature. Yeah, and I was able to speak with every one of them. Yeah, absolutely, and we're very intentional and trying to train our missionaries, as they're doing prayer walks and that sort of thing, to position their prayer walk away from the air of engagement at the abortion center, typically within view of the abortion center, right, but in the best way we can to be as unintimidating as boss man. Again, the prayer walkers are not there to engage at it. They're just a prey. Yeah, and as a sidewall counsel myself, as I'm there in front of the abortion center and the prayer walkers are across the street, I will often times point to them and say there's a group of a hundred and fifty people, or how many ever, over there that are praying for you. Yeah, and we've had women they've chosen life because they saw that group of people that were there praying for them. They're so touched and they were touched by that. Yeah, she's life for their baby. Yeah, so God, God uses that. Just want to make sure you a touch on that. Yeah, that might have a questions. Yes, that's concerned. Yeah, don't force literature on them from it just while we definitely we've spent this whole podcast talking about how valuable the literature is. But never force it if they truly just do not want to take it from your hand, you know, or they drive away and are they're rolling up their window. Don't fling it through the window. That's illegal for one thing in most places. But if you just force it on them, they're just going to rip it up there if they're that adamant about not taking it. I never force, but sometimes, this happened today a man who is in and out about six times and just gave us some rather wonderful hand signals about it, about what he thought of our presence. Yeah, every time until the last time he pulled over and reached out his hand. Yeah, where you said persistence be that. Sometimes be persistent. Don't think just because it's been refused the first five times that the six time won't be the magic number. But don't force sit but offer. Offering. It is still important, just don't yours. Absolutely. Yeah, and like in those conversations or those situations where you're handing that literature to someone walking up the sidewalk. They tell you to back the F away from them, right, do so, and do so, because typically it's not going to be very good for you if you continue to invade their space, right, like being being intentional about not invading their space, being, you know, just aware, yeah, that you're breaching boundaries already. Yeah, you are. Say they're coming to it, you know, what they believed to...

...be a medical, quote, medical procedure, and and you're kind of stepping in the way. You're like a hurdle on the way to that. Right, there's already guilt and stuff going on in their minds, so understand that. If they tell you to back away, back away and be aware of the fact that, you know, you still need to be as unintimidating as possible. Yeah, yeah, even if they don't tell you to back with that's that's right. And you have here, which I really like. Don't be late. Don't be late, man. That's one of my pet peeves. You know, if you say you're going to show up somewhere, show up on time. Yeah, but it's so critical at an abortion center is yeah, yeah, yeah, if you can get there a little bit before the doors open. Getting there when they open, I mean great, but if you can be there just a little bit before they open, I mean some people in this day and age you're actually early for appointments, believe it or not. Yeah, and you have an opportunity before the doors are open to talk with them. Yeah, and you can give them a reason to come over and talk to you. Come and take your information. Hey, the doors ain't even open yet. Come over and take this information. Just read in your car. And we've had women come over or stop their car, take information, read in their car while they're waiting on the doors do yep. And also we strongly recommend that no one ever be out all by themselves alone. A minimum of two people for accountability, for protection, for whatever, for moral support. But so if you're late and one person is showed up, they are hampered, they're they're putting themselves in a bit of a dangerous situation. They were expecting to have two people there and that second person isn't there. Yeah, so it's that is one of my little pet peeps. I really am very it's rare for me to be late because my mom always taught me if you're late, you're saying that your time is way more valuable than the person that you're waiting for, whether or not that's or that's waiting for you. Whether or not that's true, I don't know, but don't be late. Show up on time. Absolutely remember. This is life and death. It is life and death. Yeah, mix thing. You've got a few other things mentioned here. You guys can read the article to get all of this in, but I do want to mention this. This to us is like so very important. Yeah, and it's number eleven are here on your list. Don't forget contact name and number on the literature, right. Yeah, now, we do encourage folks to get. We've learned the hard way heavy we should get google voice number, and it's so easy. For All of you that are, like me, very afraid of technology, it is the easiest thing on earth to get a google voice number. You just Google it, it talks you through, it's super easy. It connects right with your regular phone. But the beauty of the Google voice number is they can't, no one can, trace where you live, and that's important. Yeah, absolutely. And then if you want to cut it off, you can like write some pro boorts get a hold of your your number. Yeah, I regular self on the police when he said how'd they get Ahold of it? Well, it's on the literature, and he just looked at me and said stupid, stupid, stupid. Yeah, yeah, okay, I learned some death threats, right, so be bright her, because that was a little scary. Yeah, but get a google voice number, yeah, or you could get maybe some cheap burner phone from Walmart or something if you wanted a number on that. If you wanted to do it like that and just be your ministry phone, might be a good idea. Yeah, but they're going to call you. You put your number on the literature, you're going to get calls, not only, of course, from the people you don't want calls from, because you will get some of those. I honestly, in nine years I've had very few of those, though, but if a mom calls you, she's calling again. She's very vulnerable and talking to her is so critical. So I always answer all those calls, even if I know that some of them are going to be really nasty, because it could save a life and it often has. Yeah, absolutely. So. Yeah, we've had baby. No last name, by the way. Don't put just to make that when we put when you put your name again, you don't want them to be able to trace to your home. For what? There are some unsavory characters set up our shore centers. So only a first name. Yeah, yeah, and, like I said, this is very important to us because there are people that would just take the information like is he, that won't talk, that won't tell us that they chose life. Yeah, but that we would ultimately be able to connect with some discipleship, Mentorship, share the gospel with them, all of those things if they call us. They can't call us, though, if there's not a number there. Hey, and I do think, because some people ask, well, why don't you just get like a stamp and stamp it on there? Once you just have it printed on there. You're going to have a number, of personal number and just get print. I think handwritten, though, it is important because it's a personal touch, right. It's not just handing out some literature to somebody, but it's a brochure with important information with someone's personal contact number on the back. And then again, just thinking along these terms, obviously, if you're handed out Spanish literature, you want to have somebody that can speak Spanish. So if you have somebody locally, somebody in your church. We've got folks locally that let us put their name and number on the back of our brochures, on our Spanish brochures, right, because again, people take the information, maybe not talk, but call us later. And we've had women that have taken brochures that had a...

...friend that they got a brochure from us. Their friend gave them your number from the brochure and you were able to help them to get resources and choose life and even be led to the Lord. That's right. Yeah, so we will wrap this podcast up. Yeah, hopefully it was encouragement to you guys, a little training and just this practical thing of handed out literature. If you guys have any questions about out this mentioned, about some resources where you can get it, get information, get literature and things like that to pat to pass out. If you need some clarity on that, certainly you can reach out to me, Daniel at Love Life Dot Org. You can reach out to Vicky, Vicky at Love Life Dot Org. We love to answer any questions that you have best we can. We're busy people these days, but we like to respond when we're able to. So please feel free to reach out to us, please share this podcast, please reach out to us with some suggestions for future podcast. We would love to hear some suggestions that you have and and you know, do some more training along the lines of stuff that you have questions about. If we can so with that, we'll wrap this thing up and until next time. God bless, God bless. Give me our love for love, give me our love for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious in some you.

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