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Episode 136 · 7 months ago

Using Amplified Sound at the Abortion Center

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God has provided many wonderful tools for us to use in our ministry at the abortion centers. Though these tools aren’t all necessary they certainly can help make our ministry more effective. In this episode, we talk about amplified sound as a useful tool in ministry and give some helpful tips on using it in sidewalk outreach.

... in the in the waiting room for some number one in particular, she was on the operating table and she heard over the microphone your baby is a gift from God. I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, and me Lord, I am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel Center Pray Life Podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt show passish, touch your heart. Use Me. Welcome back to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. Appreciate you guys joining us and, as always, we'd appreciate if you guys would share this podcast episode. I'm here. This is Daniel Parks. I'm here with Vicki Kessi organ everyone, and we want to cover a subject today that we think would be a blessing you guys. We think it would be an encouragement to you guys to maybe use a what we see to be a pretty useful tool in your sidewalk out reach, and so we're going to talk about speaking on a microphone or using amplified sound. Right, right, and this this topic came up because we had a new council well, actually she was not a new counselor, she was an old councilor that hadn't been on the sidewalk with us for several years and came back after many years. And and and we realized that her, what she was doing on the microphone was different than what we're actually training people that do now. And so it occurred to me training on how to use the microphone effectively is really a good idea. Yeah, and and so we're hoping that some of the main points that we bring up in this article will help people if their facility or their city allows the use of amplified sound. Yeah, and I guess that's not true, right. Yeah, that would be kind of the initial question. If I were you those you are listening and I asked myself, can I use or should I use amplified sound? The question would be are you legally able to use it? Right, and because it varies so much from city to city, from county to county and from area to area, like one city in certain areas could have no restricts on amplified sound and other areas, like residential areas, there could be a lot of restrictions on amplified sounds. So there's no way I can tell you exactly what kind of amplified sound you can use or if you can use amplified sound at all. That'll be up to you to dig into your local ordinances and you can just google search it. Another thing I would encourage you to do is maybe connect with your local police department. I think the probably the police department that's closest to the abortion center where your minister ring...

...out and your planning to use amplified sound at reach out to them. If you can connect with someone who's higher up there, maybe a major or a captain or whatever, and get something solid like hey, you can do this, but you can't do this, then I would say definitely get it in writing. Yeah, that's really if you're able to. Yeah, so that if there's questions in the future you can you can have it. Hey, here's what captain so and so told me. So that would that would be helpful. Now I will say that we'll talk about this a little bit later, but we do prefer natural voices to amplified sound because it's more inviting amplified sound. Obviously it's loud and we're talking about amplified sound. We're talking about what we use here in Charlotte and there's a couple of different things that this could apply to. A could apply to it, like a bullhorn or something like that. Anything that's electronically amplified would be what we're talking about amplified sound. So what we use here in Charlotte is a speaker, pretty good south speaker on the speaker stand with a microphone connected to it, kind of like what you would use in a concert or you whatever. Right and yeah, it's pretty loud. We can. We can actually be pretty loud here in Charlotte. Other people use things like maybe you would call it a voice box or something like that, sort of a small thing. You have a strap and have it around your your neck. They're have kind of a head boom Mike. You guys have seen these things, I'm sure, where you're amplifying your voice. It's not super loud or anything, but it is still electronically amplified sound. And so some cities you can use that, some cities you can't. Some cities you can use it at certain decibel levels. I can't tell you exactly what you can do in your cities. You'll have to dig into that, but we are going to talk about some principles of how to use amplified sound effectively. Again, this is just a tool and so you do have to be careful for that amplified sound really being a turnoff to people that are going into the abortion center. You don't want to be blasting them with just a bunch of loud music or loud preaching or whatever constantly. You want to invite people to come over and talk to you, right. So that's that's what you got to be careful for. But the purpose in using amplified sounds simply is magnifying your voice so that you can be heard. Yeah, I mean we've had women. We've heard testimonies over the years, several testimonies of women that were inside of the abortion center. They could hear us from the outside and something that will set on the microphone appealed to them right that we would not have been heard if it was just our natural voices. It was the amplified sound that spoke to their hearts and made them leave. Now, of course, we've heard many women saying that people calling out, just the natural voices, and that's probably been more of the the common theme. I would say that because someone was on the sidewalk calling out with their natural voice, that God use that to change my mom's heart. So anyway,...

...all of these things are tools, and so they amplified sound. I would say, though some might view it as a necessity and some scenarios maybe it is a necessity, but really it's just another tool that that God has given us to be able to deliver the Gospel Right. So I say that because there are some cities where it's just not going to happen. You cannot use any any amplified sound at all. As matter of fact, one of our guys, and Roy, if you're listening, appreciate you, brother Roy, up in Michigan had some issues. He had a one of those little voice boxes and was there. I mean could have been no louder than somebody driving by honking their horn or something. There's no way it was much louder than that. Or it was. There's no way. It was as loud as that actually, and he got a citation for it, like, no questions asked, just got a saltation just to citation. Yeah, so no, the law. Try and try and find out the law before you step out there, and I'll tell you to even if you know the law, I mean you can always deal with police officers that are being knuckleheads and stuff. That's why I say if you do get some kind of you if you had a conversation going with the police, depart if you can get something written down so there's a clear understanding, because even from one police officer to another right they can change and they can apply this law or this rule. The best you can get an understanding. Sore. I don't want to scare you guys from using amplified sound. So I want to say that very clearly because I think it is a powerful tool and if you can use amplified sound, if there's an allowance for that, whether that be one of the little voice boxes or big speaker whatever, if you can use it, I say you need to use it. Absolutely. Yeah, but if it comes down to not knowing whether or not you can use it legally and you're going to deal with citations like you don't want to go go around the mountain continually with the police about amplified sound and completely be distracted. Like God didn't call you out there to stay in your ground for amplified sound laws. He called you out there to speak for those babies. And so if you have to put a lot of attention and energy in to dealing with that stuff, then you're better off to not use that tool then to be completely distracted with something else. But if you can use it, yeah, use it, yeah, and usually if you have it in writing, you you are going to be able to avoid those kinds of distractions. I know that I have had to pull out a piece of paper with it in writing, show it to the policeman who didn't actually know the law right and and he then left me alone because I could prove that it was okay. So the purpose is obviously we want to be heard. The danger of amplified sound. As you are heard, you're very loud. People are going to hear what you say. So it's a ever, an important tool, but one use it with respect and knowing that because you will be heard far and wide. We we always recommend that are people be well rained right for they go on, so we know ahead...

...of time what the sorts of things they're going to say, in the sorts of things that that they shouldn't say, but one of the major reasons to use amplified sound for us in our facility. One you mentioned. They can hear you in the building. The second one is the pro abortion crowd here in Charlotte is very loud, right, and they can. They use instruments, drums, leaflowers and the bills, cowbell whistles, horns. We yesterday they were using a rubber chicken that they could squeeze and it would make a horn sound. Sometimes feels like you're at the circus. It feels circuses are pretty loud. So we need the amplified sound to still be heard, right, and we that's what that's one of the major reasons we use it is to be heard over the pro abortion crowd because we are the true pro choice people and we are the only ones offering the choice for life. Right, and if we don't use amplified sound, the women often are not going to hear that choice for life. Yeah, you're going to hear a rubber chicken honking right. And and so those those, I think, are the two main reasons. Right, so they can be heard in the building, they can be heard a long distance and and they can be heard over the the proportion Crad yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So, so what are some of the things we've seen as a result of using amplified sound? Yeah, well, like I mentioned earlier, we'd have we've had women that have chosen life because they heard somebody on the amplified sound in the in the waiting room for some number one in particular, she was on the operating table and she heard over the microphone your baby is a gift from God. Yeah, and she was like I can do this. Yeah, I'll say one kind of like unintended effect was we had a guy, we volunteered with us for years actually after this situation, who is living in the apartment complex behind the abortion center and living with his girlfriend sin and here it us on the microphone. This was years ago. He hold it, hurt us on the microphone and ended up walking through the woods from the back of the abortion center coming over and talking with US and ended up, like to the progression of things, repenting and moving out from his girlfriend's house and surrender his life to Jesus. Actually lived with one of our one of our guys who were on the sidewalk for for a while. That sounds so pretty cool. That was amplified sound that he was hearing in the apartment. Yeah, that's not what we want and I do think we have to make God use all kinds of things. Just because God uses something doesn't mean it should be our normal practice. Yeah, so I do think we need to be careful. This is kind of like a springboard off of that as a warning that we don't want to just blast the whole neighborhood around and tick people off unnecessarily. I mean if we're being loud enough to be heard and we're within the legal boundaries, and that time we we were within the laws that they had established at that point. And...

...other people are ticked off of what we're doing, well, that's not our fault, as you take that up with somebody else. But we don't just want to be unnecessarily loud and obnoxious either. Right, right. Yeah, I had a businessperson from down the street coming. They knew what we were doing because they actually had heard us for over the microphone and they they happen to be supportive. We have also had some that can be angry because it's so you do have to be careful. You don't want to anger people, but there are something of they I'll just say if people get angry because you're preaching the Gospel, that's one thing, right, and you know they have to deal with that between them and the Lord. Yeah, but if they're angry just because you're being inconsiderate and just obnoxious unnecessarily, then that's that's one thing. That's okay. You're going to have to do with before the disrupting their business or disrupting a baby sleep in nearby neighborhood. None of that is is our intention, right, and we have to be careful about about that. So some things not to say. Remember it's loud. So some things to really be careful of. The just the biggest category for me is do not dishonor God. Right, yeah, no matter what you say, it should be honoring to God. Yeah, I will say you mentioned earlier and I'll share with those who are listening kind of our some of our rules. I guess you'll say. Okay, we don't just let brand new people on the microphite. If your brand new, you come out to shadow our team, or even if you've been out there for a couple of weeks and you know you're handing out literature. There's certain things we allow you to do in the early stages of volunteering. But we withhold privileges for the microphone until they've gone through the one hundred and two training normally. And we do that because the microphone is a little more it's a little more pronounced and it's something we can take a little more ownership of. Right. I mean, anyone can show up on a public sidewalk and call out to people going in front, are going into the abortions sound, whether they're in front. Anyone can show up with brochures, whether there are brochures or somebody else's, and hand out brochures. Anyone can do that stuff. Those are things that we don't necessarily have ownership of. But what we do have ownership of is our microphone, and if we're going to allow someone on that microphone to me, they need to be vetted. We need to make sure that they're going to say the things that are in line with what we believe to be what God has called us to make sure they're not preaching a false gospel. We are intentional about sharing the Gospel in the microphone. So you want to make sure the gospel that they're going to be proclaiming is consistent. We want to make sure that people aren't on the microphone making allowances for abortions. Right, I want to make sure that the people who are on the microphone are consistent. Like we don't believe that it's right to a board a baby because for any reason, and I've had people come across my radar who want to volunteer, who think that rape is an acceptable reason to happen of ortion. Yeah, if I...

...throw somebody like that on the microphone and there's a situation where a woman is in that terrible situation, you know, there's a that that plays out there and somebody hops on the microphone and says, you know, don't abort your baby unless you've been raped, that's going to be a problem. Right, right. So you can't. You can't take care of of every issue and everything. I mean, you've been on the microphone before and said dumb stuff. Yeah, I've been on micro get your free abortions. Come over and get your free abortions. I meant free ultrasounds and I didn't. It took me a while before I realized what I had said. Yeah, yeah, we've all done that. Yeah, I've said some dumb stuff on the microphone where I'm like, wait a minute, did I just say that? Right? So that's one thing, yeah, but the theme of the message still, though, is going to be pretty consistent and or is going to be consistent with what we believe and what we what we want put out there. Right. And so, yeah, again, we do with whole and it kind of actually it serves as sort of like, I guess, an incentive for people to stay plugged in and to attend the trainings, to because the trainings are not just a box that you check. We're actually teaching people stuff, right, right, so you can't get on the microphone to you get to one hundred and two. Some people are looking forward to that. Now. Some people are like, I don't ever want to get on the microphone at all. In fact, most people actually sought a people really that. Yeah, yeah, but they will find, I think we've heard this pretty consistently, when they hop on that microphone and even do something is simple, is sharing just a scripture. You know, someone thirty nine versus thirteen and fourteen or some some folks I've seen brand new on the microphone will take our brochure and just read out like the explanation of an abortion. Just kind of read page by page the brochure, which I think is a good way to get started and get yourself used to hear in your own voice amplified, because that's a little weird too. And then some people will grab the microphone and just roll with it, you know, especially you get somebody who's a WHO's a preacher, you let them go and they'll go for, you know, twenty, thirty minutes if you're not careful. Yeah, we can talk about that in a little we are going to talk about that. I don't know if we do get to that a little bit further on. But one of the things that I that I did as a new person on the microphone to make sure that I was honoring God and then our second point not speaking anything that was not true, is I wrote things down ahead of time. I prayed about it, I thought about it and I actually wrote out what I was going to say when I was strand new, and I do recommend that to people who are at all nervous or you know, it's there for everyone's nervous the first time, but but when you get on the MIC, make sure you've got a game plan of what you're going to say so that you kind of don't drone on and on, but also that you are honoring God and everything you say. For example, I we would strongly discourage any kind of singling someone out, to call them names, to disparage, to insult. You never do that. That would be totally inappropriate use of the microphone.

Yeah, and definitely like I would say to to dig into that point a little bit. Yeah, there, maybe you always have to leave allowance for people to be led by the Holy Spirit. Yeah, but I would say for the most part you want to stay away from singling people out. Of course calling names, but even like hey, you in the Red Hoodie, just right, because the microphone more is kind of for general proclamation rather than particular proclamation. That makes sense. It does make sense, and I like that you said let the Holy Spirit lead you, because there are times that there's a particular situation that person may have walked in. I actually this happened just this week. She was a high risk mom and she was operating under fear and I just felt she needs to hear what God has to say about fear. Yeah, so there are but I didn't say that, lady. I just spoke to in the high risk situation. I just started to because that can be a general message. Kind of generalized it right, right, and I would say too, if you because there's been situations where you meet a mom out on the road or maybe she's walking up to the abortion center. You get into an indep conversation, you get her name, yeah, and then unfortunately she decides to going to the abortion center. I would really be careful even calling her name out, especially in the microphone. Yeah, but even if you're not use an amplified sound you still you don't want to create a barrier between you and that person. You want to gain trust, right, and it's sort of a breach of trust, especially if you're doing an amplified yeah, to broadcast their name to the whole parking lot or the whole facility or whatever. You got to be real, really careful, right. Also, because it is so easy to go on and on once you get used to being on the microphone. It's easy to get off track. Yeah, and stick to the three talking points as one of the thing we we train our people really think about those three main talking point resources, what God says about abortion, about the baby, and then the humanity of the baby and try not to veer very far, yeah, from those main topics. Yeah. Now one of the things that I will kind of veering outside of those three talking points and that framework, that I will touch on on the microphone, and I do this often, but I sort of withhold this until the end. So I'll kind of give a message around the three talking points pretty much, but toward the end I'll start explaining the abortion procedures exactly, which I think is powerful. I agree. I don't think that we have to get unnecessarily in depth with that and just gory details, but I do think they need to understand the reality that they're going to dismember their own child. Yeah, yeah, and explaining what the procedures going to be, even describing like the abortion pill procedure, which some of these women have they've kind of disconnected from abortion. The abortion pill is not an abortion in...

...their minds. Yeah, and that line needs to be dispelled. So I'll go after that and then I will also sometimes get into the track record of the abortion facility. So I might talk about the abortionist, if I know who that abortionist is. I might talk about their track record, I might talk about the issues that they've had some of the things that they've said in their past whatever, because we know these people aren't great. Yeah, but I normally don't let that be my main theme. I just want to drop those nuggets of truth and I want to sow seeds of doubt in the abortion clinic that they put their trust in. I want I want them to see they should not have their trust in that place because it's not a good place. Right. Yeah, that's that's a good point, and one of the things as as in trying to keep your time on the microphone from getting too long, you really want to keep your audience in mind. Your target audience, and by that I mean our ministry, is to the unborn children. We're not going to reach them unless we reach the mom yeah, so there are main audience, but I have heard people get on the microphone, myself included. I'm guilty of this, where I have just been so angered by the pro abortion crowd that I start speaking to them. Well, that's really not good, but that's not what the purpose of the microphone is and we really need to guard against that. I guarantee all of us are tempted because we've been so angered and so unable to really kind of defend ourselves that sometimes we fall into that trap and we're just warning you don't try to try to keep in mind who you speaking to. You're speaking to the MOMS. If there's no mom in sight, you're speaking of the dad's because that mom is in the building, and if you can be heard in the building, you're always kind of speaking to the mom right. Really is and should be your focus. Yeah, I agree. So the next point is really important and Daniel, I think you were the first one that kind of taught me about this, about speaking for no more than a few minutes at a time. Yeah, I think you had said. If you think about it, white noise, background noise, is what anything becomes. If it's going on and on and on right on, your brain just stops registering it, and so we really should keep our the the times when we speak short, to the point and then let there be a processing time, yea silence. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. Mean really five to ten minutes? Yeah, I have gone longer than that, I probably. Yeah, I mean I may consistently go over that much time. Yeah, but I do intentionally pause and I do intentionally speak slower. So I and also intentionally make the phrases and the words that I use as simple to understand as possible, because we've got to think in the framework of a young lady who's scared. There's a lot going through her mind. There's a lot of stuff. So I'm...

...not going to speak in Super Complex theological phraseology and things like that. You know right I'm not going to touch on in depth subjects that have to do with abortion anything. I'm going to stay pretty surface level. I'm going to sting with some powerful nuggets of truth and I'm going to let them just sit there. Yeah, yeah, like I said, I'll speak slower. I'll give a phrase or I'll give maybe a two or three minute something on one of these subjects, one of the three top points. Let it sit for a second and then I might take up from there. Now there are other times I may get a little more excited and I might preach a little longer, I might be more into like, yeah, I might go into ten or twenty minutes, but I do try to pause in between and give them time to processes. Yeah, and I have heard sometimes counselor say I was on the microphone the whole day and the whole day for us is three or four hours, and I would just caution people. If that's true, I would tell you that's not a good thing. In my opinion, you're probably being tuned out. Yeah, largely tuned out. You've become background noise at that point. So I think it is really good to keep that in us. I will say this, like I have observed this. This is why we a couple of years ago put a framework in place of sort of like time limits on the microphone and things like that. Yeah, because I have observed when you're on the microphone the whole time, yeah, you're interactions are going to be less. Yeah, I'm telling you, it's absolutely true. If you're on the microphone for a solid hour or a solid thirty minutes and you take back up another thirty minutes, another thirty minutes or whatever, you will see that your interactions will be less right, and I a goose that. Yeah, it becomes like a barrier, becomes more like you're preaching at them rather than inviting them to come and engage with you, because that's what you want and that is sub to engage with. That is such a good point. It is one of my concerns when you get someone who is trained as a street preacher. Yeah, and they come out to the abortion center. They are delivering a message and they often delivered very well, but it often shuts down interaction because it's you're sending out a message but you're not really inviting through periods of silence. Yeah, that for them to come and talk with you. So, in fact, I remember flip one time coming to me and saying Vicky stopped droning, and I think what he was saying was be quiet more and and you're just going on and on and on and on with a monotone kind of voice. So be careful that you're not droning. Yeah, sharing the Gospel succinctly. We had our people practice sharing the Gospel in five minutes. Right. I went home and practice that and I asked every all the cancer's practice that. Yeah, if you can't do it in five minutes, you don't know the Gospel. Right. Yeah, now, you're not going to get into all the INS and outs through the Gospel, but hit the main points and at some point when you're on the mic, share the Gospel. But if you can't do it in less than five minutes, you're ably going to lose your audience. Yeah, they're not there to...

...listen to a concert or, you know, a Soliloquy for for half an hour. So share at succinctly. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that and I don't know that we have and I'm not out there as regularly as I used to be, but when I was out there we sort of have a flow of things and nine twenty or so, right before the right after the doors opened in the patients are inside, we want to give kind of a general proclamation touching on the three talking points, and an hour later we do the same and then during the end of day, wrapping up, we want a Gospel Message of Gospel Proclamation over the place. Be Intentional about preaching the Gospel Right now. Obviously in all that you're saying you're weaving scripture in, you're weaving the Gospel in, but we try to be intentional about every day that we're out there we want to have a clear proclamation of the Gospel that's laid out succinctly, five minutes or less and just just to be obviously to give the Gospel. It's unleash the Gospel Right. It's the power of God to salvation, but also to honor the Lord, and that's being out there like God. We're out here to bring the Gospel, not just some pro life message or whatever. That's right and we have kind of not veered away from that. We don't do that as often, mostly because so much we need the microphone now as the calling out that we would have been doing by our voice right because of the noise that the pro abortion crowd is, yes, making out there. But but there are a couple of things to be aware of. I would not talk about abortion pill reversal early on, right before an abortionist is there, because you're giving them an out. I would not talk about God's forgiveness before the abortionist arrives, before people are coming out, for the same reason. You don't want to be careful that what you're saying is not going to give them an out to have the abortion in their mind and then you know the they can just then do the abortion pill reversal or they can just then ask God's forgiveness. That would be the wrong message. And then one other not to do. Don't call out on the microphone while and unamplified counselor is calling out. Let them finish and let them speak unless they can no longer be heard. Yeah, yeah, and we use hand signals if we have since we're a hundred fifty feet away from the clinic. We're on the microphone. It's not like we can communicate very easily with each other. We have to, you know, kind of put your hand up if you're talking. You know, always watch for someone to put their hands up over their mouth or whatever so that I know they're talking. I shut it down if I'm on the microphone. Yeah, let them talk and that I'll take back up from there. Yeah, one thing as we wrap up that I want to talk about, and maybe we can debate this...

...a little bit. Okay, but it's music, playing music. Oh yes, yeah, and compress cons go ahead with your feelings first. In time past we had played almost the whole time we're out there, music over the amplified sound. Now, it was always music that had a sense of sobriety to it. I don't think peppy, happy music is a good thing to be playing out there. I think we do need to be careful. We certainly don't want to be playing secular music right, but I do think that you can, you can create an atmosphere of worship and sobriety for the people who are ministering out there by having music now. You don't want it so loud that it drowns everybody out right. You don't want that and I do think that there's a sense in which, especially if you're playing music with with lyrics to it rather than just instrumental music like you're creating that that sort of barrier because you're blasting music out the whole time, because quite likely, if you're playing music, you're playing it the whole time and then you shut the music down, to speak. That that's something I would I would kind of rethink. Now one thing again, there's kind of a debate here. One thing that it does do, it's it gives you authority over the atmosphere and, especially when you're being worshipful and the people that are out there being worshipful, there's kind of this this natural authority where you're actually taking over the atmosphere. Then there's a spiritual authority. You're worshiping the Lord, you're magnifying him. So I think there can be a balance. There's a lot of things to consider in that. I would definitely seek the Lord about that. But what you don't want to do. For sure, if you're going to play music, especially if we're going to have it going the whole time, you don't want to drowned out. The people who are using their natural voices can reach out to the women going. Yeah, so I I love music when it's again in not ongoing. Yeah, it is difficult for me. I'm I'm not distracted by the pro abortion people, but I am distracted by music. Yeah, and it takes if the music is on and I have to either if someone turning it off while I'm calling out or I have to call out over the music. For me, that is difficult. That has always been difficult. So I think music can be really, really powerful out there, but again, I think for me it's better if it's in spurts, not constant, and that maybe there's someone there by the microphone manning the music and will turn it down when someone is calling out or even having a long conversation so that it does not become a distraction. Yeah, I know, one of the things to always teach when we talk about recon at the abortion center knowing what's going on, being aware. Yes, because you can catch a lot of things if your eyes are open and you're aware of what's going on there. You can see different people going in and out. Also awareness and sounds and noises, like you can pick up on conversations that are taking...

...place over in a vehicle that you can maybe address and certainly be praying for. If there's, you know, some fighting going on between a couple or something like that, that can you could pick up on that. And if you get music playing you're not able to pick up on some of the son of the sounds that you could hear. That could make you more aware of your surrounding. So just things to consider as far as that goes. Yeah, but I think we're done with this podcast. I think you've given you guys some tips and some just things to be aware of. So we hope this podcast was a blessing to you. We always encourage you guys to reach out to us. You can reach me, Daniel at love life dot work. You reach her Vicky at Love Life Dot Org. We'd love to hear from you, maybe some suggestions of other episode subjects that we can do. Also, we encourage you guys to go to our sidewalks for life website, where we often put articles out and we'll have an article out about what we just covered in this episode on sidewalks for life in equipping articles. There's a tab their equipping articles. And then also we have a podcast website, Gospel centered prolifecom, where you can look at all of the archives of all the episodes. I think we're at episode a hundred and thirty seven or something like that. Wow, and we've covered a lot of subjects. So definitely encourage you guys to dig into those. But with that will wrap this thing up. Appreciate you guys listening. Until next time. God, bless God, bless y'all. Love for love of give me our life for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious since I met you.

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