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What is the Abortion Pill Reversal?

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The abortion pill is becoming the most common method of abortion. Many don't realize that there's actually a procedure that can reverse the effects of the abortion pill before the baby dies. In this episode, we interview Courtney Parks, an APR nurse as well as Daniel's wife, about the abortion pill reversal. She shares some medical facts about it as well as some stories of women who have undergone the APR protocol.

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I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me, Lord. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. This episode we're going to have a special guest, my wife Courtney Parks, on to talk about the abortion pill reversal. She'll explain what the abortion pill reversal is, as well as share some stories what God has done through this awesome procedure. Stay tuned. I felt show passis touch your heart. Use Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. We have a special guest, very special guests, very my favorite guest that we've had of all thus far, of all times, and we'll be talking about a future Amen, and we're going to be talking about a special subject which hopefully we'll be a blessing to you guys. Hopefully this will be informative to you guys and informational but also cheering some stories, because God has done some amazing things. We have some pretty amazing stories to share and we have an amazing woman here, my wife, courtney parks, are in. She's a registered nurse and we're very happy to have her. We're here with US and she's been involved in what we're going to be talking about, which is the abortion pill reversal. She's been involved in that for a few years. How many years that's been? Probably Five, five years. So she's been involved in the abortion pill reversals and doing the abortion peal reversals for about five years. And some of you guys have no clue what we're talking about. Some of you guys know exactly what we're talking about. But hopefully, as we when we wrap up this podcast, you'll be fully aware of what we're talking about and how, if you're ministering in a pregnancy center or you're ministering, like we do, on the sidewalks an abortion center, you'll know how to effectively offer the abortion pell reversal, or at least what you're offering, what you're talking about, and even where to refer people to. And so let's let's jump into a Vicky, you got some questions there that you were going to ask my wife. So we're going to be grilling her with these questions and I'm sure she'll do a very good job in answering them. So hop into your first question. Yeah, well, and and it just as an introduction of this wonderful woman. I have been with Courtney for at least a few of these abortion pill reversals, one of which took all day and I think we're going to hear later about that story, but it is just such a beautiful example of God giving a second chance. He is the God of Second Chances, isn't he? and to me the abortion pill reversal is just such a beautiful example of that. So maybe for the people listening who have no idea what it is or they've probably heard some lies about it, because there are a lot of misperceptions and lies about it out there, can you tell us what it is, how it works, who developed it, maybe when it was developed? How about we talked...

...about what the abortion pill actually does and then then we can jump into because one of the misconceptions that people have is that the abortion pill that they give them inside the abortion center and the morning after peeple are the same thing in Courtney. Those are not the same thing, absolutely not two different things. So how does the abortion peel work? So they give them medication inside the abortion center. What what is that medication? How does it work? Is there a combination of medications, that sort of thing? So when we talk about the abortion pill, it's actually a series of two medications. The first medication they actually give them in the abortion clinic. It's called mythopristone, or another name you might hear is are you for eighty six? And and what that is? It's a progesterone blocker. All right. So they give them this medication in the abortion clinic and what it does is it attaches itself to the progesterone receptors in the uterus and it effectively tells the body this pregnancy is no longer wanted. It causes just the blood flow to stop to the Plus Sinta and essentially cuts off all the blood supply and the baby dies. Okay. They then send them home with actually a second part of the process, which a lot of people don't even understand or think that it has a second process. They think that first pill is all it takes. And the second part is actually called Mr Pro stall, or side attack. Okay, and it actually causes the woman to have contractions and expel this baby, quote unquote, in the privacy of her own home. Right. So it would be it'd be a good assessment to say the first medication. So we're talking about the abortion pill. We're talking about not just one medication, we're talking about an abortion peel procedure regiments? YEA, and so it would be fair to say the first medication, mythopristals, which you know it right, is what kills the baby and the second medication is what puts them into labor and then they delivered their dead baby a lot of times in the toilet, right, bathtub or whatever. If anybody, if you guys, listen to ever seeing the unplanned movie, I think we mentioned this in previous podcast, there's kind of a graphic depiction of that process happening and seem pretty realistic, actually very realistic from what I've heard from clients and vasitions. that. Okay, so that's the abortion pill and that's what it does. WHAT IS APR? What is the abortion pell reversal, and what does it do? Okay, so when we talk about abortion peel reversal, it's actually not really a reversal. It reverses the process that you've started. But what we're doing is we're giving the woman extra progestero and over and above what her body is already making to really just flood the body and say no, we really do want to support this pregnancy, we really do want this pregnancy to survive, and the thought...

...behind it is that it kind of over rides those blocked receptors and it does support the pregnancy and it just reminds the body that no, we do want this baby. Take Pretty simple concept or pretty amazing and it was developed by one of our very own dietors right here in Charlotte, right here at Cabaris Women Center. Actually it was I think cabaris pregnancy center at the time, but yeah, Dr Matthew Harrison and came up with it. Actually, a woman walked into the pregnancy center and with her mother and said, my daughter's taken this pill. There has to be a way that we can get this fixed. We have to be able to reverse this. So they regretted it, definitely regretted it. She told her mom what she did. Mom brought her to us and and Dr Matt Harrison was our medical director and so we sent her over to him and he tells the story and he says, you know, I had no idea what to do. I just kind of went out in the hall and prayed Lord Help me. Wow, what do I do? And the Lord just dropped this thought into his head. This is how the abortion pill works. What can you do to counteract that? Let's flutter with progesterone. And how did he happen to have progesterone? Is that already is there already a met a collapplication of Proteus? PROGESTERONE is readily used. It's widely used for women who have frequent miscarriages. Okay, frequent. It's very frequently used in the obstetrics community for things like that. Yeah, so it isn't what you're doing. I mean, let's say, you know, maybe a bad example your nurse. I'm not but I'm thinking. You know, a kid swallows a, you know, some poison, something that's poisonous. Sometimes a doctor, are you called poison control and they'll say we'll have them dilute that with a bunch of water. Drink a bunch of water and that will dilute any of the poisonous effects. That's similar to what's going on. Or like charcoal. If you swallow poison and they say to take charcoal, thatple kind of absorbs the poison. Okay, I guess it would be. It would be similar to that, but it's just like a counter effective measure to yea to yeah, re verse the effects. In that story, which we actually have a video on our website, the Charlotte cities for life website, of the story of Ashley Say Yeah, and and so you guys can check out that story to kind of goes through it's you that baby will saved. It was effective, awesome testimony. Will get in some more of the testimonies here, but we do know it's effective. Right. We've seen it's effect. How effective is it, though? I mean I know it's hard to grab a percentage or number and say here's what it is, but what's the general effectiveness rate of it? Well, as of right now, I think they're saying about sixty four to sixty eight percent success rate, and we have seen that the earlier these women come for treatment, usually twenty four hours or less, of starting them on this protocol, and the further along they are. Now you can take the abortion pill here in North Carolina...

...up to ten weeks of pregnancy and then you know, if I can see a detectable heartbeat on an ultrasound and if I can get to you within twenty four hours, your chances of success are really high. Sixty four to sixty eight percent or the last statistics that we have. So that's pretty good teen chances. I mean we'll talk a little bit matter of fact. Let's just go ahead and talk about that. On the sidewalk, because you do sidewalk counseling as well. Your nurse on the mobile unit, your nurse also in to pregnancy centers, so you've seen a lot of sides of this thing. But on the sidewalk is we're offering the abortion peell reversal and we offer that in a way that, of course, we're not saying it's a hundred percent that there baby can be saved. In your opinion, what are some of the best ways for us to be offering that? Yeah, I think one of the best ways, and I think we do it really well here in Charlotte, is just to have a sign outside the exit of the abortion clinic letting people know that it actually is an option. Yeah, I've heard so many women who have called US and come in for help that say they didn't stop to talk to anybody because they were scared, they were intimidated by clinic staff, but they saw that sign line and they knew it was a possibility. Okay, so they went home and they googled it and they come across the abortion pill reversal information. So I think that is one of the most effective tools that I have seen used. And even just calling out as people are leaving the clinic. You know, sometimes we don't know if they're there for a surgical abortion or if they're there for a check up. But even just calling out if you've taken the abortion pill, abortion pill reversalcom I've heard many women say that they have heard that and known it was a possibility and going home and called that number. Yeah, and how often do you get calls, say, in a typical week or month for abortion pill reversal? Well, here in Charlotte we get, you know, probably three calls a month. Okay, at the centers that I work at, but I think heartbeat internationals that they get about hundred and fifty calls a month and then they distribute those referrals out to over five hundred providers nationwide now. So that is actually really exciting for me. I'm like, we have this nationwide system of providers who are willing to see these women and offer them a second yeah, that's that's awesome. And so so someone calls this hotline and and someone picks up the phone and then how does that person get connected with someone who is trained, and can you tell us a little bit about your role, because you're one of those trained people that they call? How does that press this work? So when they call the number, and there's so many options now with technology, they can call, they can text, they can instant message, they can email. To get connected, they call the abortion pill reversal hotline or APR Hotline, and I don't have that number, but heartbeat international dot org is where it's run. Through our abortion pill reversalcom you can go...

...to. Yeah, Turfin International's more of the provider side. Okay, abortion pill reversalcom is the like for instant messaging with patients. But so when they get that call, they are connected with a nurse and that nurse kind of takes their information, looks at their location, finds a provider in their area and then they call that provider and connect that patient directly with that provider. And would that be the nurse or would that be the it just pregnancy resource center? It depends on the location. For our location here in Charlotte, they call our center directly and normally that is our director at compair swim and centers. That Sarah Ship perist. She takes those calls and kind of screens them and then she and I together find a time we actually see that patient in our clinic. I do a whole medical assessment, we do an ultra sound to confirm that that baby is still alive and in the uterus and then we get her started immediately on progesterone. Do you ever get calls at midnight? Yes, all the time. Huh, frequently do you? Sarah? You go take care of that that not at midnight. We do have a cutoff for that for safety reasons. But Sarah and I joke that we spend every holiday together because it never fails on Christmas Eve or New Year's Eve we get a call and she and I end up spending holidays and weekends after hours together. Right and if it's really late, we always make one of our husband's come with us. So yeah, Dane's my security a lot of times. So the information is so I just just googled on my phone. I'm sure if people google abortion peel reversal, it's just abortion peel reversalcom. You know, take them directly to the information they need. In the number is eight, seven, seven, five, five. Eight hundredzero, three, three, three, and that's the number that these MOMS would call into eats and that they would get connected with a person who would ultimately get them connected rights, connected with you. So walk us through real quick then, if you can. I think we've already talked a little bit about it, but when somebody calls, I get in touch with you, you go to they meet you at the center. What what's the first thing you do? Well, the first thing we really feel like we need to do is something that we would do for any patient that walk through our clinic. We want to do a full assessment of their needs, their their social situation, because we know that that woman didn't just take the abortion pill because she felt like it was a great day to take an abortion pill. She took it for a reason. These women have abortions because they're desperate, they're scared, they're hopeless. So we really want to make sure we know what her challenges and her struggles are. So we have one of our counselors meet with her and do an assessment of that situation. We do a pregnancy test and then I do an ultrasound to show her that baby in her womb okay, and you know, that's kind of where we all hold her breath and just pray that that...

...baby still has a heartbeat. Yeah, because that's one of our biggest indicators of if the abortion pill reversal is going to be successful or not, if is that baby still alive. Yeah, and then, you know, after that, if the baby is still alive, then we will get her started on progesterone immediately. Every center is different. That our center we like to do a two part process. We do an injection first and then we send her home with oral medication to take. Okay, yes, one of the questions I was going to ask because I know with one of the other pregnancy centers, with help pregnancy center, they do just oral medications and then, like you said, each pregnancy centers different. Each has their own medical directors decide different things and example that. So, yeah, all right, I appreciate you touching on that. Yeah, I'm really actually blessed to have just such a great network of doctors here locally that we work with. Yeah, we work, I work personally with Cobarras Women Center, who also has a location in the university area called You City Women Center. In our medical director they are is Dr Russell Suita. He's just a great guy to work with, and also work for help pregnancy center in Monroe with Dr Matthew Harrison, also excellent doctor to work with, and they just are so available for our patients and just really want to make sure we have the ability to take care of these women the best we can. So very blessed to work with them well. You know, I think it would be great for you to tell us a story that that folks can can really understand in true life what it what has happened, if you could. I know we've shared some great abortion for reversal story. So is there some that stick in your mind? Is maybe just walk us through what that was like and change the name, but tell us, tell us about that, that woman situation and and her abortion reversal story. I think one of my favorite ones is actually one that we did together, Vicki. Her name is Maria, okay, I'll go with that, and you know, she had come to the abortion clinic and immediately regretted her decision, but she actually couldn't get to us. She was at work and couldn't get away and, like I said, we're so honored to work with people who will bend over backwards to help women and say babies, and our director said, well, we have a mobile ultrasound machine, put it in the back of your car and we can go to her. And so me and you and Kelly Byrom, our medical director, packed up and we drove to Maria's house. And what we drove a few places, because I recall we were kind of chasing her all over the city because of where she was working. Or we went to it the pregnancy resourcener, because I remember I logged a hundred miles that day drive in after Maria, we went to help pregnancy center in Monroe and she wasn't what maybe did? She got she was going to be able to come, but she actually wasn't able to come and we knew that she was fairly early in her pregnancy and we really...

...felt like we needed to get her started on progester and right away. So, yeah, we ended up packing up and going to her and I remember her boyfriend was just so thankful and shocked that we would do something like that just to save their baby. And you know, we went and we did the ultrasound and we got her the medication and then she came back the next day and met us very early in the morning on a Sunday morning, and we were able to you know, just make sure her baby was okay. Right, and we were all I think it was. It was over the recommended or right on the borderline of the recommended number of hours after she had taken the pill. So I remember I went home that night and prepared two different scenario. was telling me two different ways to share the Gospel, one if the baby died and one if the baby was still alive. And Praise God, when we saw that heartbeat, we did a dance for joy. Did. Yeah, it was. Remember how far long she was? She was around seven weeks, I think. Okay, so she's pretty early. Yeah, and I remember just the sense of urgency thinking, yeah, I have to get her taking care of today, which is why we did a wild goose chase. But right. And I remember when you did share the Gospel with her and just that Sama and and the boyfriend, boy, they were both there. Yeah, right, her and her boyfriend both were there and I just remember them just being so thankful and just kind of, you know, explaining that free gift that Jesus gave and the second chance that they've been given and them just looking each other and like why wouldn't we turned our was so incredible. Yeah, and they both not only saved their little baby, yeah, little baby boy now, but they both surrender their lives to Jesus and they ended up getting married because they were so convicted by the truth of the Gospel that they said we but we can't, we can't live together and sin. They went and got married. They went got married and the last I heard from them they were doing well. They're beautiful baby picture. Yeah, we have on the wall were picture alone. Obviously those were listening to the podcast. Yeah, we have her picture holding her little baby boy on the wall here, just as a celebration of what the Lord did in that story. I think that was my first time seen an actual abortion pill reversal success and it was. It was an incredible experience. Yeah. Well, you know, praise God for the successes in sidewalk counseling and any kind of ministry. We praise God for the successes, but there are also sometimes what seems like defeats. I mean seventy percent effective, praise God it's that effective, but it's not always effective. Right. There are some moms that lose their babies. They regret taking that abortion pell they wish they could undo what they did. They get to you, they start doing the abortion peel reversal regiment and for whatever reason it doesn't work. Yeah, how do you deal with those situations? I mean they're I know there's no cut and dry easy way to do it. Obviously we need the Holy Spirit to help us,...

...but there are stories like that and how do you how do you deal with that, from a medical perspective, but also from a just practical relational perspective with them? Yeah, like, what do you say to them? Yes, yeah, I'm listening. Yeah, well, it's definitely something, unfortunately, that I have had to do several times. But for me personally, I just know that we have all fallen short of the glory of God. We've all sinned, we've all messed up, and you know what I normally tell these people are I've sinned and you send big time. Yeah, and there are consequences to our sin. You know, just because we say we're sorry and we repent doesn't mean that we don't have to pay consequences. Sometimes, we did everything we could to save your little baby, but unfortunately this baby wasn't strong enough to withstand the effects of that first medication and, you know, just coming at it, you know, imploring them to rely on God for strength, yeah, for forgiveness. Yeah, and you kind of have to counsel both from like a post abortive aspect and from a miscarriage aspect, because they've gone from intentionally ending the life of their child to do it in everything in their power as a mother to save their child. They've had a complete change of heart and you really have to it's a unique situation. Absolutely. Yeah, and, like you said, you have to allow on the Holy Spirit to give you the words to say to them. I've held many a woman while they wept. Yeah, over you know, the consequences of their actions. They've said, you know, the Lord is punishing me, I don't deserve this baby, and you just have to try to your best to minister to them and where they are. Every woman's different. Yeah, yeah, it is it. They have done something that is positive. They have tried their hardest to save that baby and I imagine that there can be at least a little bit better emotional outcome knowing that at least they did at that point they had turned back to God and done everything that they could just save the baby. Hasn't to say it is sort of a unique scenario we're in that they're, like you said, they're doing everything that they can to say that Babe. To me it has to at least in some way satisfy some of that regrets. And you know that's some of the conversations, because you you had in one of your questions. You're talking about the pro abortion people and some of the things they say. They say this is fake or whatever, and I've had conversations with pro abortion people on the sidewalks and your bortion reversal thing is fake and all of this, and I don't respond to that a lot of times, but sometimes I have responded and say, well, you know, it's not fake. It actually works. And why would you if you're against if you're for choice, why would you be against them choosing to do this? Yeah, and they've already gotten the money. Yeah, and we know women regret abortions. Isn't it a good thing...

...that they're at least able in some way try to satisfy those regrets? You know, and we I just think that it has to be. It has to be, has to be good for them to be able to do something. You talk about empowering women, that they've empowered themselves to try to go back on what they've done. You know. Yeah, and I mean it's not like you're they're coming to you and you're deceiving them and not telling them of the statistics, if not telling them what the risks are, right. I mean that's part of your initial assessment, right. I don't want to give anyone false hope, yeah, or, you know, expectations that can't be met. Yeah, I can't see this. Access is not going to save every baby. There are going to be babies that still die. Yeah, and babies die from miscarriage, unfortunately. Yeah, there's many reasons why women can't carry babies to term, but if I can offer them a second chance, then I think why would you want to take that away from somebody or not let them know? Yeah, that option right. Yeah, I mean that's that'd be my thinking. Yeah, how have do you understand? Because I don't why people, like so many people that we meet out that are the pro choice, people that at the sidebook, why would they not want us to offer that information or help? I mean, honestly, I think it's just like your side versus my side. This is a pro life initiative. They're going to be against it no matter what we say. Even if I gave them every article under the sun that says that every doctor in America recommends this, I think they would probably still not like it. Yeah, because it's from the pro life side. Yeah, so there's no basis in them saying this is fake. It's, you know, this is still, quote unquote, and experimental procedures. It's not approved by the FDA, it's not sanctioned by the American Medical Association. We do have some Obie doctors who are not okay with this. Yeah, because it's not been, you know, researched very long. It's still, like I said, in an experimental procedure. Is there any downside to it, though? Is there anything that that could harm the woman? There are, I mean, like I said earlier, this medication is used widely for women who have preterm labor and frequent miscarriages. It's the same exact medication. Okay, it comes nausea, just room right. Yes, progesteron is a naturally clearing hormone that's in our body anyway. Right. I mean it can cause increase nause like I said, headaches, fatigue, dizziness, but other than that, I mean there's not any increased birth defects with it. So I don't know why. Yeah, but you know, one of the the very hypocritical things not to be Labor this point too long. But I've had conversations with pro choice people that say that's fake and I'll ask him. Do you even know what the abortion peel reversal is? Many don't, but if if they do, they say what's Pagestro and pogesterone has this and this this side effects. Well, so...

...there's the abortion pill. Yeah, and it's not being approved by the FDA. So it's not been very long that that. CIDEOTECH, which is the second medication, has been improved to induce labor. And they because it was a stomach medication first. Well, use it was for stomach ulcers. Yes, so a lot of drugs that are used nowadays are using experimental ways and not they're all label uses. So that's not really a very good argument against this thing. I think it is exactly what you said. It's this us against them dynamic comes from the pro lifeside. Has To be horrible, you know, and it's just yes, the way. I think they also think that we manipulate these women into making this decision and make them feel so bad that they're guilt ridden and then, you know, we forced them to do this to ease their consciences, which is not true at all. Well, the bulk of the time it's people that have not stopped and talked with us. It's people that have gone home. That Maria actually researched it herself when not sure she heard it from us. Yeah, I think they went home and looked it up on the sactly. Yeah, yeah, we're thankfully now Google, if you search, can I reverse the abortion peo? Yeah, the APR website comes up like on the top. That's awesome, which is fantastic. Yeah, so, while this is not the happiest, probably part of your experience. But how about when things don't work out? You have a story of a sad outcome with APR? I do have several of that stick out in my mind, but I think one of the saddest was a young lady who had waited probably a little too long to come in and call and she ended up coming in I was getting ready to do her ultrasound and she was doing the pregnancy test in the bathroom and she just started wailing and so I went to check on her and she was actually miscarrying into our our toilet and our center, and I ended up just holding her while she miscarried her little baby into the bathroom toilet and she just wept and wept and sobbed and said, I would have done this at home by myself if you wouldn't have been here with me. Exactly. So in that situation, it just gave me an opportunity to be there with her, to hold her while she did that, and also us to just share the gospel with her. She was broken, she was hurting, she was helped, you know, hopeless, and she needed Jesus. Yeah, so bad. So in that situation, as you held her, you didn't whisper in her ear you're going to the lake of fire. I did not. Yeah, we've talked about that in our podcast. We talked about balancing grace and truth. Yeah, you know, Jesus, the Bible says he doesn't Quinch a smoking flax, nor break a Bruise Reeve. When someone's already broken, you don't need to add more to it. But the Gospel does need to be shared, right. I mean there's there's a realization, and I don't think you even had to tell her you killed your child, like you right, took part in this. She already knew that. But yeah, just to come in, because at that point what happens? Either the devil gets ahold of her. Look...

...what you've done, there's no salvation for you. You can never be redeemed all of this, or the Lord gets ahold offer and says, come to me, yes, you've sinned, but I'm a savior, you know, and that's awesome that you were there in that story. So that's a sad story, but it's also a redeeming story. Yeah, and God's a redeemer. Yeah, and I just think of all the other women who have been sit home, sent home, and done the exact same thing alone. Yeah, and and been left to be hopeless. And that's when you hear of, you know, women who deal with depression, post abortion and and suicide and drug abuse and alcohol abuse. Yeah, it's because of what they've been through and what they've seen and they have to, you know, numb that memory in some way. So, yeah, it that's exactly where my thoughts when is all the abortion. Minded determined women who then go through with the abortion and so many have regret. I believe at some point in that life all will. Yeah, but they're they have bought into a lie and there's no one there to comfort them. Yeah, yeah, praise God. You know, God is a redeemer. God is a god of second chances, and US just talking about this on the Gospel Center pro life podcast, talking about the redemption. The even come within the midst of an abortion pill and then the second chance to be able to reverse that is that's that's God inspired. You think about Dr Matten, him seeking God and pray and say what do I do in the situation, and God drops us in his heart's just like the Lord to be a redeemer like that. It's just like the Lord and that woman situation to have someone there. It's just like the Lord and Maria situation that have you guys come and meet her and do that abortion peal reversal. So I think with that, well, you've covered all the bases I wanted to cover with this. Anything else you wanted to mention in Courtney, before we wrap this thing up? No, just if you are a pregnancy center or a doctor that wants to be involved, or even a nurse that wants to learn how to get involved with this. You can go to heartbeat international dot organ they will, they would be they would love to talk with you and share with you how you can get involved. Yeah, we need, like I said, we have providers, over five hundred medical providers in the country, but they're going international with this. We want this available everywhere, and the more it's available, the more readily accepted it'll be, and that is endorsements from these big Ama and FDA will come. Yeah, yeah, let me ask you. I do you have one more question. I think you do know the answer to this. How how many, approximately, how many successful abortion pill reversals have there been, either in our state nationwide? Would what? Do you have any of those numbers? I don't have statewide, but an heartbeat does collect data and we try to, you know, collect statistics so that we can, like I said, validate this procedure right in sciences eyes, and I think the last I saw was over...

...a thousand babies have been born amazing as a you know, successfully after this procedure. Yeah, just hearing that number and hearing that the the pro choice group says that all women don't regret an abortion. Well, that number immediately puts the light of the Destin't it? Yes, absolutely. Yeah, thank you for coming and sharing. You're welcome. We really you. Means you have been my favorite guests? Yeah, but that we've had some good ones. We have, but we barely appreciate what you do. It is awesome. Yeah, Amen, it is awesome. All right, guys. Well, we appreciate you listening to the Gospel Center per life podcast. We appreciate if you guys would share this a share it with friends that work in pregnancy centers, share it with other people who are sidewalk counselors, people are not. Just share with all your friends and family. Go to our website, www dot sidewalks for life, sidewalks number four, lifecom, where we put out articles on a regular basis. Of course, you can check in on our website, Charlotte dot cities for Life Dot Org, here locally. We appreciate you, guys listening. Until next time, God bless O. Love for love, give me our love for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. No things too precious, and some you.

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