Gospel-Centered Pro-Life Podcast
Gospel-Centered Pro-Life Podcast

Episode 142 · 4 months ago

What Makes Great Leaders

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In order for a ministry to be healthy it needs good leaders. Especially in sidewalk ministry, we need people who are strong and yet humble as leaders . In this episode, we talk through some of the things that make great leaders and how we can grow as leaders ourselves.

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If we're ever going to be the type of leader that goddess calling us to be, we must follow him. And to follow him, to follow Jesus, is to follow the way of humility, and so many of these points that we're going to talk about require humility. I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, and me Lord, I am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel Center Pro Life Podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt show passish touch your heart. Use Welcome back to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. Appreciate you guys joining us and, as always, would appreciate if you guys would share this podcast episode with others that you think it would be a blessing too. And just to introduce myself. We've tried to introduce ourselves in the last several podcast just so guys, who are you? Guys who are new to this podcast know who we are. My name is Daniel Parks. I'm the West Coast Regional Shepherd for love life. So oversee our ministry, various aspects of our ministry on the West Coast and I'm joined often times, almost always, by Vicky Cassie Org. Introduce yourself real quick. Hey there, I'm a sidewalk missionary here in Charlotte. have been doing that for about nine years and been doing these podcasts for Daniel about two years. Yeah, right, yeah, and these podcasts are focused really on there's a there's a lot to the ministry that love life does. Has To do with prayer walks, as you guys, if you've seen on social media, you've seen we do prayer walks and we engage with churches. Are Mission of visions, unite and mobilize the church, create a culture of love and life that results in into abortion in the orphan crisis. That's our heart as a ministry. But there's various aspects of this ministry and one of the most important aspects of this ministry is the sidewalk outreach aspect. That's my heart, that's where I got started in pro life ministry. That's Vicky's heart, and so we bring these episodes to help encourage and equip people who are doing sidewalk ministry and most of our episodes are focused really particularly on the sidewalk ministry at abortion centers. Right, and we do divert from that from time to time and talk about other things, but I mean almost always it serves those who are on the sidewalk. If we're covering other subjects that don't particularly pertain to the sidewalk, right, and whereas this subject that we're going to cover really maybe doesn't particularly pertain to the sidewalk. In a sense it does, yeah, but it could pertain to any kind of ministry, but we're going to be talking about it in light of sidewalk ministry being at the abortion centers, and that is what makes great leaders. Yeah, and you you are going to have to have good leaders on the sidewalk justice in a side that you definitely and in our facility or in our city, we have team leads of every sidewalk team. Yeah, and having team leads that are great leaders can really make or break a team and it can keep volunteers or can scare volunteers the way. So this is a really important topic, I think. Yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah, and there's various leadership roles that people can have with the sidewalk ministry but, like you mentioned, one of the main roles isn't just at least how we structure things and have structured things with our sidewalk ministry here in Charlotte, which has been going on, I mean officially, since two thousand and ten, but I've been involved way before that and others have been as well. But the way that we structure it is that we will have a team lead. We kind of structure our teams. Will have a Monday morning team in a Monday afternoon team Tom Block of about three hours, and so for the Monday morning team will have a Monday morning team lead right. Monday afternoon team will have a Monday afternoon team leads of one person that...

...heads up the team and have certain responsibilities. And Yeah, if you've got good leaders, if you've got good team leads with varying degrees of experience and leadership and varying degrees of giftings and callings, but at the end of the day, if they're good leaders, you can build a good team around good leaders. Right. And I would say to there's some other leadership aspects with the Sidewalk Ministry, some dynamics that are maybe a little different than Charlotte that work out in other cities where we'll have like one person that sort of oversees the sidewalk ministry at one particular abortion center. That person is raising up those team leads that we talked about. So I won't get to into the nitty gritty of the structure and all that other stuff, but there are various structures and because of those structures and the need for leaders within those structures, we're going to talk about what makes great leaders. Write the qualities, yeah, that that make a great leader. And I'll tell you. Daniel had me read this article about team leaders and and I pretty much sure out the article. Since I am a leader in in our sidewalk ministry, I would just say Oho out right because I think every area could I could certainly improve upon. So I think it's really helpful. I do think it's helpful if you've been a leader a long time or short time. I think these these why might might be useful for all of us to think about. Yeah, and definitely like just realize as we go through these things, maybe there's some deficiencies in your leadership. Those who are listening or us who are talking right, definitely some deficiencies. You're never going to be the perfect leader until you become exactly like Jesus exactly. You're not going to become exactly like Jesus. We all can work on certain things and so don't let that, which God intends to be an encouragement and to challenge you, be a discouragement. If there's some areas where you need to grow in your leadership, then take these things. I mean that's part of kind of being a good leaders being able to take criticism. Yeah, and being able to take what you hear. That's actually one of the points here that we're going to touch on in just a minute. Well, what you hear as criticisms and examine yourself. Sometimes criticisms that come from other people are just that. They're just criticism, just people being critical. Sometimes there's some truth to it. Sometimes people just want to point the finger and say you're a bad leader because they're frustrated or whatever. Reality is, they're a bad follower. Right, right, often times. And Yeah, that is definitely one of them that will get to, but maybe we should have it the first one. Well, let me say this first, because this article came from and it came from a Google search for me actually. I was just looking at some leadership articles and things like that and this article came as Scott Hagen. I don't know who the guy is, right, but it came up in Google. I started reading the articles, like man, this is phenomenal. Yeah, and so I think in so you wrote an article based on this. Right, all right, just to kind of make it more crafted towards sidewalk ministry. Yeah, but I think you list or you link the article within using the article at the end of the art of this article that I wrote that will be putting out on sidewalks for life. Okay, yeah, I agree with you. I thought it was it was really good and there were some various obvious connections with what we do on the sidewalk. I thought, yeah, yeah, no doubt. And so he's got some kind of subheadings or whatever that we're going to go through. And Yeah, had seven guiding principles, I think, of good leadership. But I'm going to add an eighth. I started out, okay, we're starting with number eight. We're going to start art with number eight. Okay, we'll start with number one and will bump all the other ones down. Okay, three, four, five, six, seven, because a good leader has the privilege to do that. If you exacts. Yes, so I can do that. Yeah, because I'm not a I'm not a good leader greatly. I guess I'm decent, but I'm a leader that's learning some stuff. Okay, okay, good. And the most important principle that I have learned in leadership is this. Okay, John Maxwell, he's a great leadership guru. Read a book by Him. Yeah, he probably needs to write a book about this and give me some royalties for it.

He might have already written a book about it. Anyway. The first principles is the best leaders are good followers. The best later yeah, are good follower. But you know what, that is kind of my final point in the in this article. Okay, and we're gonna so. So can we hold off on it? It's a real unless we want to talk about it right now because it kind of spoils the article. But we can move to the end of the article. Because who was the best leader? Who was the best follower and showed his followers, yeah, how to lead by following. Yeah, yeah, Jesus is the best leader. That's right. And of course he said he only did what he saw his father do. Yeah, he followed, he followed the will of his father, and so I will say in this is kind of why I say that, and we can talk more about it at the end. That's why I don't want to spoil what you have. Yeah, but the best leaders are good followers. Yeah, we have. If we're ever going to be the type of leader that God is calling us to be, we must follow him. And to follow him, to follow Jesus, is to follow the way of humility. And so many of these points that we're going to talk about require humility. Okay, absolutely, and you humility is practically the word. Means to get low, right, but we know emotionally that's to not let ourselves be chief. Our opinions are concerns. What? What concerns us? What affects us, to be the main thing, right, we've got to be good followers of Jesus. And what did Jesus do? He laid his life down, right, he laid his life down for the sake of others. In matter of fact, Jesus said, if you're going to follow me, you got to take up your cross, right, if you're going to be my disciple, if you're going to be discipline in my ways, you got to take up across. So that's painful. So the best leaders are good followers. And leadership is painful. Okay, it's painstaking sometimes, but there's also rewards in it. So let's jump into our first kind of point here, okay, and the first point is great leaders pay attention. Poor leaders seek attention. I thought that was such a great line. Yeah, and it is so true, because I was thinking in my own life about the people that I am most willing to follow, and they are not the ones that just want to take all the credit. Yeah, they're the ones that spread the credit around. And and our humble again, at the at the root of this one is humility. Right. Pride is the mother of US sin. Yeah, and when we're prideful as when we're the one seeking attention. Yeah, and so the great leaders, I love that. They pay attention. I just started really thinking about that, right. Yeah, how does a great leader pay attention? What's he paying attention to? Yeah, and so you guys who are leading at a higher level in your city or whatever you're doing, you're going to try to raise up leaders, like we talked about these team leads or the sidewalk leaders or whatever you know, and you want to be looking for people a good marker of someone who would be a good leader for you as someone that pays attention rather than seeks attention. Yeah, they're not always trying to get themselves in the forefront of everything. MEAN, sometimes they're there, there on the forefront because they have all some testimony and you know whatever. But really you'll see a good leader in a person that can be developed into a good leader when you see them complimenting other people, when you see them going out of their way to think other people for what they're doing. Good leaders they pay attention. You can't know the good that other people are doing if you're not paying attention to it, right. And so the picture would be then, someone who self absorbed the picture that he gives in this article, I think, as a picture the kind of the contrast between David and Sault. Right. Yeah, is that? Is that in the article? Yeah, he no, I think that was one of...

...the points that he made talking about that between David and Saul. I don't think I put this at that in the article, but it's it is a great example that he gave. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and so it's like saw, of course he was jealous because David or saw slayses thousands and David his ten thousands. Right, but David didn't sing that song. It was the people praising David that David was humble. Yeah, but it's all. Didn't like to hear that there is someone better getting more credit than he was. Yeah, and Saul was a horrible leader. He was. David was a great leader. Now, Yeah, great leaders can stumble. We know they would stumbled. Labor long on that, but if you're looking for good leaders, look for leaders that pay attention to what others are doing, not just try to get attention for what they're doing. Yeah, yeah, and then the next one. I don't know if you want to well, the next one. That's the secret to high capacity leadership is knowing how to turn personal criticism into personal improvement. And for me, as I he makes a big point in the article that Hagen wrote about the difference between criticism and accusation. I think you kind of alluded to that early on and that, but they're almost every criticism that you're going to hear almost every time. Is it has a kernel of truth. Yeah, it may have been exaggerated and it may be phrased in an attacking way, which is I think when we're least able to hear it. Right, but if, rather than becoming defensive, were able to discern the truth in whatever that criticism was, we can grow from that. All of us can need improvement and we're not perfect, like you said, we're not. We're not home yet, we're not with Jesus, we're not Jesus. Yeah, so learning to take criticism and learn from it. Yeah, and let me say that this is an important principle of the Christian life. It is people are imperfect. Right, you're imperfect. That's why you should be able to receive criticism. People are imperfect. WHO GIVE CRITIQUES OR CRITICISM? Maybe they're trying their best to give constructive criticism. Yeah, but it seems like accusation. Right, at the end of the day, you're not going to stand before them, you're not going to stand before me, you're going to stand before God. Right, you're going to stand before him, and his criticisms are always accurate and they're not accusations. Necessarily, when God brings a truth to us, that we have a confrontation with truth and he wants us to change, he does it for our good because he loves us. But he oftentime does this thing, bringing criticism, bringing the truth to us. We have a confrontation of with truth through other people, through imperfect people, so people. God may have put it in someone's heart to address you on an issue where you are not doing so well. Yeah, and they deliver it imperfectly. That's why, anytime someone brings criticism to you, your attitude has to be one of reception, like if you're attitude when someone brings criticism immediately is one of self defense and things like that, you've got to check your heart just you don't have to respond. Here's the thing. When someone brings a criticism, some of these says, you know, so I need to talk to you about this, I need to talk to you about something. Of course, when that you know, we know that feeling right. That's words. All right. What is it? Let's I've learned, by God's grace, to have my ear open and if it's something about me, to take it to not I don't have to respond immediately. I can say, let me think about that. Yeah, let me think about what you're saying, even maybe write it down if they have a criticism, rather than to defend myself, because if you are your defender. You got a horrible defender. But if you let the Lord be your defender. So if some of this stuff is criticism that is accurate in some of its accusation, let God sort through all of that stuff. Let God be the one that sorts through it, because you're not going to be able to sort through it all anyway. So, anyway, I'll just...

...kind of echo this this this point. The secret to high capacity of leadership is knowing how to turn personal criticism into personal improvement. Like you said, there can be a kernel of truth, apply what's good, eat the meats bit out the bay, if you have to, right exactly, and I think that's a sign of maturity as as a leader. Immature people tend to want to justify why they're doing what they're doing. That you have just pointed out to yeah, a mature people, I think, are more able to just take it in and and learn from what the lesson is and let the other just pass them by. Yeah, and listen, have to acknowledge we need the grace of God to do this. Yeah, right, so criticism hurts, especially when you're pouring yourself into ministry and you think you're doing the you're doing the best you can. You think you're doing a good job and somebody comes along basically says you're not doing a good job. You internalaws that and you make it in your mind and your heart kind of reflect on who you are. But listen, you are if you're a child of God, you belong to the king of Kings, the Lord of Lords, as his daughter, as his son. Right, and all the criticisms that can come nothing can change that. Right, if you're in Christ, none of the criticisms change that. The foundation of who you are does not rest in the opinions of others, but it rests in the truth of God's words. So the opinions and criticisms of others can be used by the Lord to to strengthen your trust, in your resolve in in God. So let them do that rather than to shake you from your trust in the yeah, yes, that's a really good one. Yeah, the next one that Hagen brought up is it's not what you achieve, it's what you set in motion. Yeah, and for me, as I read that, I was trying to think, okay, exactly what does he mean and how could I apply that? Yeah, to to the sidewalk, and we tell people all the time. We've said it so many times on this podcast. So much of what we do is planting seats. Your planting seats, and that's kind of, I think, what this author was saying. Yeah, that it. You may not see what you have achieved ultimately, right, you may only see that a seed has been planted and that you can trust it's growing. Right, that's what seeds do. Sure, yeah, so, yeah, yeah. Well, so that's along this train of thought. Are practical outreach at the abortion centers that were planting seats. But also in this train of thought is kind of the idea that you're not just out there to be a leader yourself, but you're out there and you're in this ministry to train up other leaders. Yeah, so you're not just doing the work with your own hands and laboring and laboring and laboring by yourself, but some of the things you're setting in motion is the people who you train up after you that can take the banner and run with it. Right. So sometimes there can almost be a sense of jealousy if you've been involved in a ministry for a long time and other people God raises up other people and God uses you to help raise up other people and they run, they run farther with it than you do or they take it maybe to another level than you had. You can always be Jut us, right, you can almost be jealous us, yeah, but the reality is like you're a part of that, like you set that emotion. That same dynamic is played out here in Charlotte where it started out with well, with flip flip, been him here in Charlotte plowing the ground and pro life ministry at the abortion centers, and then his son's start cities for life and start that ministry and it moves forward and then they put me in as the leader and then you know, I'm trying my best to take it to the next level and seeing some growth, and then love life comes aloong and...

...takes things to the next level. You know, there was some temptation in me to be a little jealous, like, okay, we never were able to get churches on board, like love life is what's going on here right, what's going on with this thing? A little bit of jealousy. But by God's grace I took the attitude of let let Jesus increase and let cities for life, let me let any other thing decrease. Like, if this is what God's doing, then you do it, Lord, and I'm on board with it, you know. And that takes an attitude of humility. Yeah, and it takes me remembering it's not just the things that I do daytoday, but it's the things that, by God's grace, I've helped set in motion. The same for you, Vicky. Yeah, you've trained up people after you who are who are running with this thing. You've been involved in some of our boot camp trainees that we do here in Charlotte. You think about what you get to see. You've poured into some younger people. I think of Jenna, who we interviewed on this podcast some time ago, he who's in Rowan Oak, who's like she's like a mini Vicky, you know, or even like Veronica, who's you're serving, and others. You know, I can't name all the names of people that you've poured into, that we've poured into here that are doing the sidewalk ministry. Yeah, right, and so we've set some things in motion there that you know, it's not something really we achieved in the sense, but God used us to set some things emotions. Is a couple aspects of this point. Well, that's a great point, because I do often look at the teams that largely our teams are have been trained by me, yeah, or by you, and there are some old timers there that were there before I was, but not many. And and I look at them as my children. It's like a hen looking at her little chicks and thinking wow, they're they're growing up and they're they're doing so well in there. I think to have pride in that is a good thing. That because that that's where God would, I think, have us be rejoicing that, you know. And so god God did that with with, what's it Moses or with Abraham? I think it was Moses, where, you know, Abraham is overwhelmed by by I'm sorry, Moses is overwhelmed with what he's facing. He can't, he can't do this alone. And and God raises up other yeah, well, that his father in Long Jeff threw, actually told him that you're going to burn yourself out trying to do all this. Actually, and a lot of sidewalk people, people with the heart to serve out there, yeah, could fall into the trap of burning themselves out because there's not there's not other people to do this thing. Yeah, and so I'll say with this your time. So certainly out there on the sidewalk is important. Babies are dying. Somebody needs to be there. But if you can spend one hour pouring into five people that you can kind of set in motion to do this thing, you would be better than spending three hours on the sidewalks. That makes sense. It does, because you're multiplying through. It's no longer you alone. Yeah, you are. Ultimately. It's a lot of work in the beginning, but ultimately they will be released to carry on and even expand. Yeah, upon what what you've been able to do. So that was a really good one, I thought, because there is the tendency for, I think, all of us, when we get overwhelmed, to feel where I'm all alone in this, right, and maybe we're all alone in this because we haven't poured into others enough and and set into motion the people that will carry it on, because we will all not be here forever. Yeah, yeah, so sadly. So. One that really resonated with me insecurity will emotionally rearrange everything you see and here as a leader, right, and I think that relates very, very much so to some of the things we've already said, like how you take criticism, yes, or how you handle watching others take your banner and run and do better than you. Yeah, but you can really if you're looking through the eyes of insecurity as a leader, it can be toxic.

Yeah, you can look at everyone in the most negative light. And I can remember you saying many times to me, me, Daniel, assume the best. Yeah, in people. Now, sometimes, when you have assumed the best, it's inaccurate. Yeah, but it's still it's an attitude that I think is good to cultivate. Assume the best and you are much less likely to find evil where it really never was. Yeah, but out of your insecurity you're seeing things that you shouldn't be seeing. Yeah, the devil does a very good job of building a case against people, right, and against organizations, churches or whatever, in the minds of people who are insecure. Yeah, and in the minds of people who are secure, by the way, let me let me tell you. The devil is the accuser of the brethren. Yeah, yeah, and so he's going to accuse you. He's the devil. I've seen it so often. I've seen it in my life. Is Seen in the laws of others, where the devil will line things up just so, just in just the right way, where someone ignoring you at church, or at least what you think is ignoring you at Church, and and and you feel like, okay, I've encountered them three times at Church and they had me, an acknowledge me and we're friends and they haven't said hey to me right, and you're thinking, what, they hate me and you build this whole case against them. Well, they hate me, and so, yeah, I don't have a reason to like them either. You can start to build a case when meanwhile what's happening behind the scenes is each time they passed by you, one time they're their kid was throwing up and they're running past you to the bathroom. Another time you know the accident happened. Other time they get an emergency phone call. You know what I'm saying? Like the devil can Lee that stuff up. So you have to. In this takes some very, very disciplined thinking and being very surrendered to the Lord. In this you have to believe the best about your brothers and sisters in the Lord. Right, you don't have an option. You do not have the option. Yeah, to believe the worst about your brothers and sisters in Christ and unless you're proven wrong, and less you're pretty wrong, then you can reassess, but your initial assessment should be one of the people that came to mind to me Biblically, and what I thought about is what I see with insecure leaders is they will seek to control. Yeah, and they become tyrants. Right, and the story in the Bible of Re Habom, I'm hope I'm pronouncing his name right. He became king as a young man. Asked this this story. By the way. I forget where it's in it. I'll find the reference. I think it's in the article somewhere. Yeah, but he has first kings. Okay, it's first characters. Will okay. So he asks the as at when he comes into to become a king as a young man. He goes to the elders, which was appropriate, and says, Hey, how should I lead these people? And they recommend gentleness. But he's an insecure guy. He goes and to asks his buddies his age, who say double down, Oh, my God father did be even harsher. And it ends up dividing the Kingdom of Israel forever. Yeah, so here's an insecure leader who takes the advice of a bunch of friends, probably is drinking buddies, right, and it and it, and it does. It doesn't go well at Allso tyrants, I think, are people that are very insecure. Yeah, and they seek to control through a very inappropriate way. Yeah, yeah, yet leadership is well, John Maxwell, he's the leadership gurule. Yeah, says leadership is influence, nothing more and nothing less. Yeah, which is true. But if you think about leadership in the context, especially what we're talking about, is its relational influence. Like, leadership is relationship. Sure, we're building relationships now, at the end of the day, as leaders, we have to make certain decisions and we have to say, well, this, this is...

...the way that it is. We have to make those decisions from time to time. Yeah, but most of the time we can make good decisions in relationship with the people that we're leading and they can actually help inform our decisions. Right, we want to bring them along, right, but, yeah, if we're insecure, we can't do that. If we're insecure, we almost like sometimes an insecure leader. They're affected by those of their leading in such a way that where they coured down in a corner, right, and so they don't want to lead and then they a pendulum swing the other direction because of their insecurities and they lead like a tyrant. So either you're you know, you're a puppy dog in the corner is afraid, or you're a tyrant. It's a good leadership is very balanced in its security. And so if you're insecure, if you see some insecurities in your leadership, bring it to the Lord. Ask Him to help you to be secure. You got to be first and formally secure in who you are in Christ and then secure in your calling. Are you really called to this thing? And quite likely you are. If you're in this ministry, you're called to it. You didn't step into it in the flesh, probably, and so if you called to it and you're in Christ, then that's the foundation of your security. Again, your relationship with him, and ask the Lord to help you to build on that foundation. Right. Right, I love the next one because this one was what gave me hope. Right, the leadership happens over time, not overnight. Yeah, and I will tell you when I first stepped into leadership rolls. Yes, I really struggled and I'm sure every one of these areas and still do in some of these areas. But there's hope. If you are a good leader and you're following God as your ultimate leader, he will help you to develop these skills that you need to be the best leader. Yeah, that you can be it. It does. It does take time and we see that throughout the Bible with all the great leaders of the Bible. Yeah, they developed over time. You know, Moses started off by killing, killing a fellow Egypt sure, killing the the man who killed a fellow Egyptian. And then but he or a fellow Hebrew. But then I forget the story, but you know what I mean. He killed an Egyptian taskmaster, right, it was disciplining one of his Hebrew Andros and you know, and that was probably not the you know, the most appropriate response for him to take bit through as a leader and and and all of us can yeah, and absolutely, and that will not happen unless you put some work. Listen, ministries work, leadership is work. Relationships take work. Yeah, I don't mean like works based salvation or anything like that, but if you're going to grow in your leadership. You're going to have to put some work into it. Yeah, you're you need to read leadership books and there's a lot of them. I've mentioned John Maxwell. He's got a book called developing the leader within you. We actually went through it together through that. It's a great book and there's some other podcast now all of this stuff. Some some of John Maxwell stuff like I have to eat the meat and spit out the bones. Yeah, there's some things where I'm like, yeah, I don't know about that and seem so biblical. I could be wrong. I'm at least smart enough to know that guy's been walking with God longer and I could be wrong in him right. So if there's things you need to sort through with some of his stuff, or like Craig grow Shell has a leadership podcast which has been awesome to me. There's some stuff in it it's a little like, and I don't know he's speaking to business man and not really speaking to the ministry leaders, but for the most part it's like meat, you know. Yeah, so you've got to put some work into personal development and growing as a leader. Of course putting work into cultivating your relationship with Jesus and prayer and, in this word, right fellowship with other believers. But it doesn't happen overnight. Yeah, and so stick with it. If you guys need some suggestions for good leadership books to listen to or to read, I do a lot of listening. I listen to a...

...lot of PODCASTS, yeah, and listen to a lot of books that I would be more than willing to shoot those along. I think getting a hold of this article would be great. Listen to this podcast maybe as a good first step. But let's jump into our next couple of points. We've got just a few minutes, or actually a little overtime. Yeah, and so let's try to knock these couple last couple of points out. Yeah. Well, the next one making complex things simple. Yeah, and that's the role of a leader, not to make simple things complex. There are so many times, just at this point is a little bit obvious, but there are so many times when I will read an article and I'll think, Gosh, this guy is really well well acclaimed and this is obviously such a smart guy and I don't understand a word of what he said. And I know I'm I'm not a dumb person. So but if I can't understand the depth of his thought. He probably should have made it easier, yeah, to understand, and good leaders will do that. They should not be out just to impress you with all the big words that can use. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know, as it pertains to like processes, and we talked a couple of weeks ago about some strategy, some sidewalk strategies and things like that. Right, you know, we tried our best to kind of break those down and make those pretty, pretty simple. It's not. It's not rocket surgery. That's when that said. Right, right. And so being intentional about the way that you communicate certain things if there are certain things that need to be a certain way, for example, if you're leading a team, a sidewalk team, and there's a they're not doing so great a job at passing out literature and there's some things that they need to do to improve it. Yeah, don't be super complex and what you're saying be very simple and to the point and just say hey, you know, if you stand here and you look that way and you smile in your way, in your wave, it's going to be more effective. Rather than trying to break down the psychology of the whole thing. Just make it, make it simple. Yeah, in a way to make complex things simple that I've learned is with analogies. Yeah, right, yea, with analogies. Yeah, there's actually some complexity, believe it or not, to holding signs at an abortion center. MMM, you know that? Yes, because I've heard that. I've listened to this podcast. Yes, there's some complexities to it. There's some things that you can do to make it more effective and there's some good psychological reasons why you do those. Right, right, but what I do to help when I'm training people to hold signs is I give them analogy. Hey, you know there's there's these companies like sweet frog. Right, Elijah, one of our guys here locally, he he actually runs a sweet frog, yeah, as well as does sidewalk ministry, but we see him. And there's other businesses, mattress companies and stuff, where they literally hire someone to hold a sign out front. Right. Why do they do that? Why do they pay someone like, I don't know, ten, twelve bucks an hour or something like that to hold a sign out front? Because they know that people will engage with a message that's associated with another person than a message that's just stuck in the ground or on a billboard. Right, right, that's an analogy. And so why would I hold a sign in front of the abortion center when I could just prop it up or whatever? Yeah, it's because people will engage with people, right, and so I help to make that complex thing right instead of, you know, you need to not put this sign on that and so maybe I'm making it a little too complex. There's different ways. You can use signage and you can prop them up and got I'll use that, but there's a more more excellent way, there's a more effective way, depending on, you know, the the manpower that you have. What I'm trying to say is use analogies to help people connect with whether it's whatever it has to do with, whether that's the way that they arrange their team, the way that they lead their team, the way that they hand out literature, the way that they hold up signs, whatever it is. I think helping people with analogies really helps him connect with with certain truths and get them on board. Jesus used it with the parables. Yeah, but I want to get back to what we started with, okay, that the best leader is is a servant and the the parable that...

...that I thought of parable a story to hear make this complex thought simple. Okay, Jesus use the parable some time. Is when he washes the feet of the disciples. And in John Thirteen, I think that's such a beautiful picture and and in fact he actually says, you call me teacher and Lord, and you are right. So he is teaching them, he is he is leading them and he teaches and leads them by showing them that I if I then the Lord and the teacher washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet. So, yes, I think he's teaching a very critical point that you raised at the beginning of a true leader gets down and does, yeah, what he is telling the others to do. Yeah, and humbles himself and is serves in in his capacity as leader. so He's our model, right, and I think that passage, just reading and truly understanding that passage because a long way, I think, to helping us to understand what a great leader looks. Yeah, yeah, everybody wants to be a leader, yeah, until they're actually leading. Yeah, and then you realize, like, leadership is hard. Yeah. Yeah, I think of James and John. Remember they asked Jesus who? Who of us? Consider the exalted position. Won't? Because that's what everybody thinks about a leader. Oh, he gets all the glory. Yeah, right. They want some leadership up. Yeah, they want some influence. And you know the reality is Jesus being the best leader. What does his leadership lead him to? To Sacrifice? Yeah, to lay his life down for the sake of others. Yeah, leadership take sacrifice. Now, there's rewards in it, there's blessings in it, but it's not all fun and Games. The leader really should be the first one there in the last one to leave. In a lot of ways, now you can raise up people, and I get it. You raise up team leads. You don't want to burn yourself out unnecessarily, but especially in the beginning stages of your leadership and Sidewalk Ministry, you should be the first one there. Now you should not as a leader, if there's a certain sidewalk time, let's say nine o'clock, is like like we try to get our teams here. Yeah, you should be there before nine o'clock. Yep, even if you've got team leads that are heading up that particular day. If they know you're going to be there, you should be there early, you should be there before they get there and you should encourage them. And you're not there before they get there and you're letting them know, Oh, you know, I got here five minutes ago. Guess where you bent? No, you're there. You're there to help lead. You're there to really model leadership which is sacrificial. You're not the guy who, when it's so hot outside that you can't bear it, that you decide, well, I'm actually going to take a break from Sidewalk Ministry today. Know, you be intentional and make sure you're out there on the hottest days. Yeah, because you want to show your teams that you're a sacrificial leader and you're not doing it just to show them that that, but you're doing that so that they understand that this leader, this person who's leading us, is a good, a sacrificial, a Christ like leader. Now, we're all in perfect in various ways, but ask for the grace of God to do that stuff and be intentional about laying your life down for the sake of those who are who are under you, and pour into others so that they'll lead and take it further than you ever could a man man. All right, well, guys, we hope this podcast was a blessing to you. Went over a little longer than we wanted to. Try to shoot for thirty minutes on these just so you guys can consume them. But we're loudly leaders, but we're learning and we're learning to be better next time after this one. Hopefully, hopefully, we'll be better next time. But we hope this was a blessing to you, guys. We'd love for you, guys, to reach out to us. Let us know, maybe some subjects we can cover in the future. Let us know. We've had a few people recently let us know these podcasts were a blessing. That's encouraging to us. It's someone that we're yeah, we're pouring out some stuff and hopefully we're rating raising...

...up leaders behind us. They can take this thing and run with it, and so certainly you can reach out to us. You can reach me, Daniel Love Life Dot Org. You can reach her, Vicki, with a why at Love Life Dot Org. We'd love to hear from you, but until next time, God bless God, bless you all our love for love, give me our love. For gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious since I met you,.

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