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Gospel-Centered Pro-Life Podcast

Episode 124 · 8 months ago

When and How To Describe Abortion Procedures

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The three talking points we train our sidewalk teams to use are effective but there are times when sharing the graphic reality of abortion can be effective in changing a mother's mind about abortion as well. In this episode, we talk about the appropriate time and way to describe abortion procedures to men and women at the abortion centers. We also share some resources to equip you to do this effectively. 

Abortion procedures video: https://youtu.be/CFZDhM5Gwhk

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...most of them don't know and in fact neither do I believe, many of the socalled pro choice people. Yeah, so we decided we really needed to inform anyone that maybe is not aware of what happened. They need to know what happens in an abortion, as well as when to use it. Yeah, yeah, I think it's important that, just in general, that we know what happens in an abortion so that we're informed of what we're dealing with. Right, we need to know, we need to be well informed and of course we have it in our pamphlets, the little pamphlets that we hand out at the abortion center, hope is here pamphlets, and you know, I think it's important that if you're going to hand something out, that you've read what you're handing out and you're well versed and what's inside of that. And now it doesn't get into graphic details, gets in some detail about what happens in those abortion procedures and it breaks down like the medical abortion, first trimester, a second trimester, third tremester abortions and the procedures that are involved in that. And so it's helpful that you have the information, especially again, if you're going to hand out that information. And I want to say too, that you know we don't want to come out of the gate talking about the abortion procedures. See how gruesome they are right and the reason why is because we want to try to build a relationship with that woman. We don't want to it just immediately shut the conversation down. Grosser out with what she's doing and she kind of shuts down in her mind when she hears this graphic reality what's happening inside of there. But we have our three talking points right, hey, what God says, what God says about the baby, about the mom, the humanity to the baby, describing fetal development and all of that. Heart begins to beat at sixteen, Seventeen to twenty one days after conception, and then, of course, the resources that are available. So those are three main talking points. We stick to those as much as we can, but there is a time when it's appropriate to get outside of that framework, certainly, and when you've kind of thrown everything at them as far as these three talking points are concerned, and there's a lot that's included in those three talking points. It's a framework really of points that we touch on, but there's a lot that can be said even within that framework. But there are some things outside of that framework and talking about abortion procedures is one of those things and I think this can actually be a very effective way to help really awaken the conscience of the woman as you're talking to her, and I've done it talking to the men as well. I'll ask them as if they come out on the sidewalk or whatever, if they stop in their vehicle to talk, I'll ask them how far along is she? I'll just go right for how far long is your girlfriend? And then do you know what's going to happen to your baby? And I do want to make sure in personalize that, right. I don't want to say something like you know what happens to babies in procedures, or you know what's going to happen to her baby. No, I don't make it personal for him as a man, and if I'm talking to a woman, I want to make it personal. Do you know what's going to happen to your baby? I might even say you know what's going to happen to your son or daughter that you carry in your womb? Do you know what's going to happen to your son or daughter that she carries in her womb? And then, of course, I'll break down if I know that she's if he says she's nine weeks along or whatever, I'll take his word for it and I'll begin to describe what you know, if she's going to take the abortion pill. A lot of times they don't know, but I found that they will actually say, well, she's taking the pill, because it almost kind of like in their mind, minimizes it. It's not really an abortion. And even some, some Christians, some pro life, or especially people that are new to this kind of view, it that that way, that surgical abortions are real abortions, abortion pills are not, and we're going to talk about that toward the end of this article a little bit breaking down that, because a medical abortion, the abortion pell procedure, is just as much as an abortion, and I will say that it's just as much an abortion as a surgical abortion and in some ways can be a little more graphic. If you guys have seen the unplanned movie, there's a whole scene in there and we're going to give you a few in the article. We're going to give you a few links and I think maybe, Vicky, we should link that article as well, or that that Youtube video in this article as well, where it's a scene in unplanned where the person who portrays Abby Johnson actually goes through an abortion pill procedure. She's in the bathroom, blood all over the place after the abortion pill procedure is completed, and we've done numerous episodes. Go on the Gospel Center pro lifecom and search abortion pill and you'll find a couple of episodes we've done and we've talked about this a couple of different times. Anyway, I guess I kind of rabbit trailed and run through the article and some ways a little earlier than we intended to touch on certain things. But we're going to put some videos into the show notes, or at least into the article that was written as a framework for this episode, and I want you guys to watch those videos. They're graphic, I get it, but I think we need to sometimes refresh our hearts and minds of what we're actually dealing with, to just have our hearts broken afresh, I think is really helpful. And then again...

...we can help these women to see what they're about to do. And again I think there's an appropriate time for that. And you know, I would say just again as kind of a little maybe a little bit of a rabbit trail. I think it'd be good to get these links out of the article and to save them in a note on your phone. If you're ministering out on the sidewalk and you get to the point where you think that it's appropriate to share these things, you can actually show them, if they're willing to watch it, a video and these there's there's a longer video that explains all of them together and then there's a breakdown of the different you know, medical abortion, first trimester, second, third trimester there. So there's it's in one kind of stream of videos and then they even break it down salive action. That does it break it down into like I think it's three or four minute videos for each procedure, and so I would have those on my phone. You can search it really easily. Go on Youtube and search a live action abortion procedures and you can find it pretty easily. But with all of that said, Vicki, let's let's jump into the article. If I didn't well the really I think there's probably people listening already that are saying, I'm never going to do that. I said that about the graphics signs, never going to look at. Never going to show those I'm not going to use shock value to to to get someone not to kill their baby. But you know, as I was praying and thinking about this article in the aftermath of when I I've talked about this often, actually on on the MIC, but not in a while at the abortion center, and when I did this most recent time, I started crying going through it and it made me realize, you know, I probably don't do this enough, because if it causes this strong a response in me, who knows this information, it really could be a turning point for the women going in there who have maybe never heard it. But one of the verses that it happened to be in my Bible study at the the time that I was reheard researching for this article is Ezekiel thirty three six, and I think it's such an important verse in terms of maybe helping to us all to think about should we be warning mom's about what is going to happen to their baby, and should we do so graphically, and and so that verse. Did you want to read it? You have that verse there. Yeah, it says, but if the watchman sees the sword coming and is not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes and take someone's life. That person's life will be taken because of their sin, but I will hold the watchman accountable for their blood. Yeah, you know, so that you know the sword is coming and and someone's life is going to be taken and we are called to warn them or their blood is on our hands. It's basically paraphrasing what what that is saying, and I guess people could argue about what that warning should be, but we are called to speak truth and the even the word abortion muddies what the truth is. Abortion doesn't come close to describing what is actually going to take place. And of course, things like calling it choice or healthcare. I don't know what's happening throughout the nation, but I know at our facility increasingly the pro choice people, the socalled pro chose people, are shouting out this is normal, this is good, this is this is loving, this is right. Yeah, and that cannot stand. I just felt more and more strongly. We cannot let that lie stand and we and we have to counter it, and the the best way to counter it is with truth, and I think graphic truth. We there is a world of difference between saying abortion is barbaric and saying your baby, your son or your daughter, a living member of your family, is going to have their arms and legs ripped off while they are still alive, without anesthesia. Yeah, they're there, then they can conclude for themselves that this is barbaric, that it is horrific. So I just I I believe very strongly it's important for us not only to show graphic images but to be knowledgeable and to describe the the graphic reality of what happens in an abortion. In fact, I think it was ray comfort who showed some of these videos that you're talking about about what happens in an abortion and people...

...would change their minds on the spot about whether abortion should be legal. It shows the power of that. I hope that that convinces people that, yes, this should be in your repertoire. Of You know things that you're going to talk about and you alluded to already, Daniel, when to bring that into the discussion, but maybe just summarize when. When would you, in general, bring up the graphic details of what happens in an abortion? Yeah, now, I think it is good. You were talking about doing on a microphone everybody's scenario is a little bit different where the abortion centers in different cities are and because of the rules laws things, some people can't even use amplified sounds. Some people can. Again, I don't well, I'm confident that it's not the main theme of what we need to be saying right as far as how graphic and how terrible abortion is in the sense of like describing graphic details. But I do think it can be very appropriate to share and I think the on the microphone, letting folks know what's about the happen to their baby, can be a powerful way to do it. And I think again, shutting the mouths of the pro abortion people who tell that this is a woman's right to choose, that they sanitize really what's happening by using the word abortion or using words like healthcare and things like that. And so when you get into describing, okay, this abortion thing, what is it actually what are we actually talking about? It's an act of violence. I mean even abortionists that perform abortions have admitted that abortion is an act of violence. And that's really what you're trying to get to, that abortion is an act of violence. So I want always describe the abortion procedures, but I will always, almost always, say that abortion is not healthcare. Abortion is an act of violence that you commit against your own baby. That's that's actually a common phrase that I use. Yeah, and then I will get sometimes into describing the abortion procedures and and the abortion pill. I think as far as you know, as far as like a public declaration on a microphone or calling out, I don't know if I can say here's the perfect time to do that. I think when you've kind of given everything else, you've touched on those three talking points, then yeah, go for it, you know. But again, I don't think it's the first thing a woman needs to hear soon as she gets out of her vehicle or soon as she you meet her walking up the sidewalk. I think the first thing is obviously letting her know that you, you're a human being that acknowledges her humanity, that acknowledges the humanity her baby, and talking about kind of around those three talking points. But when you're getting into a one one conversation, as I described earlier, I do this when I'm talking to the men, even when I'm talking to the Moms, when I get him some more of an indepth conversation. I guess, for lack of a better term, I've thrown everything but the kitchen sink at them. Then I guess that is probably the kitchen scenk. Do you know what's going to happen to your baby? And I will begin to describe and we even have within some of our literature we have a sticker of a baby that's a victim of abortion, and so I'll ask, can I show you what abortion looks like? And I will open that up and I think that some of you, if you don't have them, if you're ministering on the sidewalk, then you should reach out to the website is abortion no dot org. I believe it's either abortion no dot org or abortion nocom. It's CBR, center for bioethical reform, and they really kind of I mean that's their ministry, is to show the graphic images of abortions. They do it on college campus, as we did a podcast with some of their guys a while back. But they have these little cards. It's like a business card size and you can get bigger ones as well, but you can order them. They're like ten cents a piece or something. I don't know. They're not they're not much, but it shows, it depicts an abortion, and so it'll be a picture of a baby that's a victim of abortion. Now, like eight weeks, nine weeks. They have it all through, you know, all nine months of pregnancy, I believe. But I think it's appropriate to even have some of those on hand and to say, can I show you what an abortion looks like, and then to begin to describe there's abortion procedures. Often Times what you're going to get is repulsion. Right, they're they're not going to like what they're hearing, but you'd be surprised how much they'll actually listen to is you're describing these abortion procedures, and I believe you need to be intentional about doing it and not an accusatory way. We got to remember these women are in fear. There's a lot of fear, there's a lot of lies that are being spoken to them. So we're not trying to come across as an accusatory way. In a sense, want to make sure our tone is one that's a tone that sets the tone of kindness, gentleness, of course, but also forthrightness, like we don't need to back away from the truth. I know you guys are getting from me almost in this in this podcast, that that I kind of tiptoe and eggshells,...

...and this I don't I'm not trying to convey that this not important. I just do want to convey to you guys, I think more than anything, that this is not what we need to be yelling at the abortion center constantly. Don't go in there and dismember your baby and describing a just I don't want us to be conveyed as the Raven Lunatics on the sidewalk that are always talking about, you know, dead babies and those procedures that they do inside of their I think we need to be talking about Jesus. We need to be talking about there's babies and their value. We need to be talking about those mothers and what God has provided for them. But again, if all of that sort of fails, then yeah, let's talk about the reality of what's going to happen inside of there in a way that's informative and does have some shock value to it. Let's face it, there's some shock value in describing these things, and that shock value can be valuable. It can awaken their conscience to the truth and for pro abortion people it can really tear down that whole lot that holds just a Blob of tissue, club of sales. Like if pro choice people would watch the videos that we talked about with Dr Anthony Levantino kind of breaking down the abortion procedures that live action put out, it would dispel a lot of their false notions and I think some of them would actually they would have to admit that they pent wrong, because they sanitize this thing by using terms like abortion and fetus and medical procedures and, hell you, reproductive healthcare and all that stuff, when I'm reality, we're talking about dismembering little human beings in their mother's way, right. I think thinking about the tone the what I object to is when I'm just hearing anger, just anger at at the whole system. We all, I guess, have that, but that you shouldn't be the tone of our voice. But I think that if your voice conveys compassion for that child, there is a difference and and I think it's important to keep your focus not on your anger at the parents or the abortionist store or the e in the pro choice people, but to to be filled with your voice, filled with a compassion for what is going to happen to that baby and and I think then then it is maybe more easily received because I think if that's really what is in your heart, that is conveyed. So so one of the things that we have the benefit of as many of the abortion workers have left, including a couple of abortion managers in the areas where we work, where we minister, and so we have a lot of information from them, what they've told us about what made them leave, what they saw, and that's one of the things I will often speak about, which is what they observed, these people who saw a day in and day apt, and there was something that, even to their calloused hearts and eyes, there was a tipping point. Yeah, and what that tipping point was, and I can think of two specific things that for me, just really stayed with me when these former workers described what they had seen. We're going to get into and just a minute about the procedure itself and what happens, but in one of them was a an abortion clinic manager and she was called into assist with with the abortion at times, and she was then also involved in counting the baby parts, which you have to do to make sure all the baby is out of the mother at the end. Yeah, and she did that. Oh, she did that many times. But there was one time where the baby's eyeball floated by all by itself and intact eyeball in that dish, and she said there was something about that, that sight, that was what did it for her. She just she realized, I can't do this anymore. And and just that visual as even as I said that, my eyes teered up the visual of what it took for an intact eyeball to be removed from a living child. Then the second thing that really struck me. This was I don't think this was an abortion manager. She was she was a nurse or a technician that served in the abortion room and when she left she was very traumatized. I would say she definitely had post traumatic syndrome, stressing Rome and and did end up having a lot of counseling and help. But I asked her what what made you leave and she said it wasn't so much what I saw, it was the sounds and which made no sense to me. And I said the sounds,...

...what what do you mean? And she said when the abortionist would rip the limb from the baby's body. There would be an audible pop as the joint was destroyed, as the limb was pulled out at the joint. And and hearing that again again makes me want to cry just thinking of that. And I remember, maybe it was Dr Leavittino, someone saying an abortionist has to be strong. It's not easy to rip apart a living child. So you say things like that, it just hits you in your gut and the I we haven't even started describing the procedure. But you know, I think it's valuable to know what the abortion workers themselves have have said or the terrible things that they've that they've seen. Yeah, so, so maybe we want to one of the things that is also important to convey, and in the article that will be putting out we will have a link to another article where talks about some of the dangers to the woman, particularly in that article it talked mostly about surgical abortion. I think Daniel made later on you're going to talk about the pill abortion some of the dangers with that. But one of them there is a huge risk of I don't know huge risk. Let's see, I actually have it down in this article. It said point three two percent of women have uterine perforation as a risk, and the reason for that is most abortions are blind, which means they are not ultrasound guided. In a surgical abortion, in most cases the abortionist is going in blindly and into the woman. With that a tool called the sofur clamp, which is kind of like a, I don't know, a forceps with sharp, sharp metal teeth, and he's going to just blindly reach around until he hits something hard, which is the baby. You know, it might be a hand, afoot and arm or a leg, but he could also hit the uterus because there's no ultrasound guiding where that tool is going. So the woman, the woman, can be damaged if any of the baby parts are left in there. The risk of infection. One and a hundred twenty five women has a dangerous infection following a surgical abortion. There's increased risk of premature birth and subsequent pregnancies, and that that's a pretty big risk. Again, one and twenty three women. So those are not insignificant risks of of the abortion. So they these two videos that you talked about are really good. We're going to link them up. Dr Levantino describing what happens in in a s urgical abortion, and that that's where we'll will start. I've already started kind of describing that. He goes in the the cervix is softened. Yeah, he goes in with a this sofur clamp and other tools, but the sofur clamp it can both grab and hang on tightly and it's not going to let go. And also the teeth or sharp, so it's also piercing and suffering as a and so he goes in there, grabs whatever he finds, clamps, twist and literally rips off a piece of the baby and and then does that over and over again until the baby has been removed. Depending upon the end the baby is living. I don't know how long the baby lives. In the video it makes it look like the baby lives. It's a kind of cartoony video, but I assume it's based on what he knows is the truth, and it looks like the baby lives at least through that first limb being ripped off and possibly through the second, probably excruciating pain. We definitely there's no doubt a baby at twenty weeks feels pain, probably earlier than that. They certainly respond to touch at eight weeks. But because you know, sometimes you will hear the pro choice crowd say that they're the CORTEX isn't fully developed and so the baby can't possibly deal pain. But that's a misunderstanding of neurology, which I studied. I was an occupational therapist my first career, and the CORTEX actually has an inhibitory effect. It dampens our sensory input. That's one of the main roles of the CORTEX. So there when the CORTEX is fully developed, it actually decreases the impact of pain, because otherwise the just the pain...

...would be so excruciating that we would go into shock. But when there's no cortex yet fully developed, the pain is exaggerated. So this baby probably feels pain to an unimaginable degree, depending on the age of the child. But then because the skull, depending again on the age of the unborn baby, the skull is hard, it has already calcified and it cannot be pulled through the cervix. And so the abortionist, with that sofur clamp, goes in and crushes the skull and and then removes the the shards of the skull and a milky white fluid comes out that's that's the brains coming out from the woman. And what I read is when that skull is crushed again there's a danger of a perforated uterus because those fragments are sharp and there either it can perforate the uterus, it can perforate the cervix, it can damage other organs. So and then then the abortionist goes back in with a curet or suction scrapes out anything that he might have missed and all of these pieces are suctioned and collected in in a dish where then a technician or a nurse will put the pieces back together and and count and make sure that all the baby parts are out and if they are, those all go into a medical waste bag and and then in at our facility, those bags are all collected in a certain time each week. A truck in our area called the sterocycle truck will come and pick up this medical waste and it. The irony of this never escapes me. On the side of the truck is the sterocycle slogan, which is we protect what matters and and when. When I have finished describing that in detail and like, like you said, I it is a last resort. If I'm talking about that, it's because I know there's someone in there who's about to have a surgical abortion. When I'm describing this, and and I know that we've tried everything else. Are Three talking points. Their heart is so hard that I feel this is this is all that I have left, anyway, that I can think of to say, and I will often conclude with with the sentence. Should any civilized society condone this in any arm? Yeah, of course the answer is no. Right, and this is what you've just described, the graphic reality of what we're dealing with, right, and even though it's not fun to talk about and of course, as you're going through and describing all of that stuff, it's just so, so gruesome. Yeah, but it is the gruesome reality of what's going on in those buildings, right, and you know, we shouldn't shy away from that. It's a I mean we think about, I go back to but happened in the days of Nazi Germany and really describing how they gassed Jews. They called them nonhuman, just like we do in our society for these unborn children, right, and of course, the graphic nature of what they did in that that needs to be described, it needs to be explained to modern society so that we can stop the wickedness that we're involved in. Yeah, the same way like in the days of slavery and the graphic things that were done to the Africans that were brought over here, in others who were brought over here to this country and then other countries around the world that have been involved in slavery. It's like human beings are treated like less than human. They're treated like in this case, it's describing these procedures treated like medical waste exactly, and thrown away. Is Garbage, right, and that's a that's a gross reality that needs to be shared. I think it needs to be shared in a big picture way with society at large, but I do think also with the mother's and with the fathers that this needs to be shared and it needs to be personalized in the sense that I explained earlier. Like I'm talking to a young man, I'm going to explain to him this is what's going to happen to your son or your daughter, and in the same way, these these mothers, this is what's going to happen, this is what you're going to be doing to your son, to your daughter? Would you want to do that to your baby? And of course the reality is people can accuse us of again being over the top and just, you know, trying to use as a shock factor or whatever, but you can go on Google very easily and find out what an abortion procedure and tails. You can go on Google very easily and find out fetal development. Does my baby at nine weeks have arms or legs? What does an abortion do at nine weeks? And the fact is that these women, if they have the abortion, many of them, are going to find out the graphic reality of abortion. They're conscious...

...is going to be bothering them. They're going to be wondering that really do what I think I did, that I really kill a baby, or was it just a blob of tissue, a clump of cells? They're going to go on Google and they're going to find out there. This is something I will say on the microphone is I'm describing these abortion procedures. I'll say something to the effect of you might not like what you're hearing, but the fact is that you're going to find out the truth about abortion at some point. Our heart our desires that you find out about abortion, about what you're about to do to your baby before you do it, and, based on that truth, you turn away from it because the Bible says the truth will set you free. Right, because they again, they're going to come face to face with the reality of abortion. They might come face to face with that reality on Google or, Gosh, the worst thing, they come face to face with that reality when they stand before God and they give an account for what they've done. So our heart, our desires not just to gross them out and not to just come across as some kind of you know people bring in the shock factor, whatever our heart is, to share the truth in hopes of that truth will turn them away from what they're about to do so they don't have to face that reality. That's right, yeah, to convict their hearts of what actually happens. And of course you can't do that if you don't know. And I even just watching the video, which I've seen many, many times, and it's not even a real baby. It's a depiction, you know, it's almost Hartuny, like I said, but even with that, it just it's horrifying. It's so horrifying. So it's not pleasant, but it is very important that anyone involved in pro life ministry understand what happens and be able to knowledge. But the speak about what happens. So, Daniel, what happens then? Is A pill any better? We hear over and over them saying yeah, pills just fine. Here's one thing that I wouldn't try to mention as often as I can actually, because I see a lot of times people on the sidewalks even conflating the abortion peal with the morning after peal. Right, and so some people might even say, well, the abortion center in our city, they don't. They don't do real abortions. They only do the pill and they equate that because they say it's like the morning after pill. But it's not. The abortion pill in the morning after pill are two completely different things. The morning after peal someone would take if they think they had, if they had unprotected sex and they're afraid they might get pregnant. It actually primarily keeps the mother from conceiving a child or keeps the woman from conceiving a baby. That's a primary function. It could be abortive. It could be abortive facient, as that is that the word it could, it could be, but that's not the primary way it works and it's not always a matter of fact, it's probably not even often an abortion. It just keeps her from conceiving. So that's one thing. The abortion pill procedure, though, is always an abortion. It's always killing a conceived child because typically the abortion pill will be administered, if a woman chooses that procedure, between five and ten weeks. Normally they don't do an abortion peal procedure after ten weeks because there's some further complications that can that can happen, and I don't think it's even been FDA approved past ten weeks, at least the last that I that I knew. And most of the abortion centers that do the abortion pill only, like a lot of plan parenthoods here in southern California do the abortion pill only, I think, well across the nation, plan parenthoods and other abortion centers that do the abortion pill only on Ne do abortions up to ten weeks, but the abortion pill procedure. And again we've done podcast about this, so please take advantage of those. Be Knowledgeable about this. The abortion pill procedure is just as much an abortion as a surgical abortion. So let's just be clear about that if the abortion center down the road from Your House or near your church only does the abortion pill, they are still killing babies. Okay, it's not. It's not. And now maybe in our minds and with our human sensitivities it's a little less graphic, maybe because it's not actually dismembering a baby. Because very early along, even at six weeks, five weeks, if they do a surgical abortion, they do a suction aspiration abortion where the baby is sucked through a to a Canula, in essence, sucks through a vacuum tube and, you know, it's little body is put into a peatree dish, being kind of just ground up through that section. That's a dismemberment aboard. That baby's being dismembered. He or she's very small, and so we even might think of that as being a little less graphic because they're not actually taking forceps and dismembering the baby. But the reality is, if we believe life begins a conception and we believe that every human being is valuable from conception to natural death right, and we believe that being prolife right, then whether they're no matter what the procedure is and no matter how far along the baby is, it's still an act of violence and it's still wrong and it's still sin and we still...

...need to be speaking against it. So again, if they only do the abortion pill where in your city, they're still killing children inside of that place. Right and sadly, this is I know it's the California phenomenon and I'm sure it is many of the places, many of the states here on the West Coast and I'm sure some Midwest states and maybe even, I'm sure, up in New York as well, where you can actually a woman can actually get the abortion pill through. Tell of Mead where she didn't even have to see a doctor, she didn't even have to have an ultrasound. She can just say hey, I'm this far along and she can take the abortion pills and do that whole thing at home. And that's dangerous. Dr Matt talked about that in our last podcast several months ago about the abortion pill. But I'm just I'm going to describe, if that's okay, Vicky, what the abortion pill in tells yes, and and just really I'll talk a little bit about their risks, but just to kind of help you guys to understand the graphic nature of the abortion pill and I mentioned earlier there's a video out there from the unplanned movie. There's a segment of that whole movie you can find on Youtube. I think you can just search unplanned abortion pill and in you'll find a video. I think it's three or four minutes long. Even try to again link it in this article or in the show notes of the podcast. But the abortion pill works. Is actually not one pill, it's actually two medications. So that's why I would say it's the abortion pill procedure, because it's the procedure, not just one pill. So it's not like they go into the abortion center, they take a pill and they go on right, and some people imagine this is the pro abortion. People in the abortion industry wants us to believe that that's what it is. You just take a peel, your baby disappear as you go on with your life, your problems disappear, you go on with your life a regular period and it's no big deal. Yeah right, yeah, so it's sanitizes the whole thing, but the reality is it's much more graphic than that and it's much more involved than that. It's not that you take the peel baby kind of just dissolves, the pregnancy, the product of conception, dissolves and go on with your life. No, they give them a medication inside the abortion clinic. Typically, is how it works. They'll go into the abortion clinic, they'll typically get an ultrasound to make sure they're ten weeks or before so they can actually do the abortion pill, and then they give them a medication called mythopristone or myphoprex is the brand name. I'm sure there's generic versions now, but they'll give them that medication inside and that's the Medica inside the abortion center and that's the medication. The actual will kill the baby. So I won't get into all the details because Dr Matt explains it in that podcast about it, but it basically cuts off the flow of blood, oxygen and nutrients of the baby needs to stay alive. The baby, the Placenta is attached to the uterine wall that ultimately gets nutrients from the mother's body and gives that nutrients to the baby's body. That placenta is detached from the uterine wall and the baby in essence dies of not having the nutrients and the auction in that he or she needs to survive. And then so the mother will take that. The effects of that medication, Mefapristone, take place in twenty four to forty eight hours. It takes some time for that medication to take an effect. Meanwhile, that woman is sent home and she's told to take the next medication. Miss a pistol or sight attack is the brand name, and it's a medication that will put her into Labor. But of course, in an early pregnancy like that and the medic the medication they gave read the abortion clinic, killed the child's in essence, what's happening is they put her into Labor with that side attack, that she takes it home and she delivers that dead baby, often times in the toilet or sometimes even in the bathtub. Is She's trying to relieve herself of the pain that comes, because that medication actually calls cause us contractions and all that sometimes wrong. Gulimal sittings. Yeah, sometimes a woman be sitting in a warm bath and the baby will will be delivered that way. Of course, at that point, often times that baby's dead. And of course, if you see that video from the unplanned movie and the abortion peel procedure being played out in the bathroom, there there's blood everywhere. And digging into plant parenthoods and the book, the abortion industries fine print on the abortion peel procedure, if you read their fine print, and this is on plant pairhoods website, you'll see that one out of five hundred women that go through with the abortion pell procedure will require a blood transfusion. So they're going to lose a lot of blood. They tell the women, because we've heard this oftentimes, it's going to be like a minstrel cycle. It's not going to be that big a deal. Whenever actually on plan parents website, I think they say I may get this a little wrong. You guys can dig into it. Maybe I'll even link that in this in this article, if we can do that, but they say that the woman could pass golf ball size blood clots as she's going through with this abortion peel procedure. Now, of course, you know I've talked a lot about how it affects the mother, but of course you talk a little bit again about how to fix the baby. That baby is a basically starved to death that child, and very early, you know, ten weeks, you can already tell. Of course it's a baby. Arms legs, fingers and toes and all that stuff. That...

...baby's already moving around, very small, but it's a baby and all the nutrients, all the things that baby's innescence starve to death or suffocated because he or she's not getting the blood, oxygen and nutrients that they need to stay alive. And so it's an act of violence. Again, it's not any less an abortion as a surgical abortion. It's just oftentimes completed at home. And so I will lay that whole thing out what I just laid out for you guys. I'll lay that out for the MOM. If I have the opportunity, I'll lay that out for the dad and I'll say something. It's kind of at the end of that. You know that stream of thought is, do you want that to happen to your baby, and do you want that to happen to you, or do you want that to happen to your girlfriend? To understand that there's risks involved. You understand that there are women that have died that have taken the abortion peel, because there have been. One woman I know locally, and Charlotte, died from the abortion pills. She died actually because the doctor didn't do his due diligence and giving her an ultrasound and finding out actually her baby was an ectopic pregnancy. In the abortion pill doesn't do anything for nicktopic pregnancy. Her felopian to ruptured and she died. So it wasn't a reass a direct result of the abortion pill itself, but it was, of course the doctor's negligence, and doctors can be negn negligent, especially doctors that are paid to kill people's children from money, right. And so we laying all that out. Being informed of all that stuff is really helpful and if you know that, if you kind of go through like what we've just shared with you guys, and your knowledgeable about what the abortion procedures and tail then you're more knowledgeable than most of the socalled poy pro choice people that support this stuff. If you have that knowledge and what we shared in this podcast, you've got more more knowledge than even some of the people that work inside the abortion clinic, because they don't have a clue. They've been really lie they've been really duped and they've duped themselves and number their own consciences seared. Their own conscience has to believe that this is just about a woman's body and they are disconnected from the reality that there are two people to be considered in each of these abortion procedures, that, yes, the woman should be considered, but the baby is also to be considered, and that baby's not just some foreign object to remove from her body, but it's actually a human being, right, and that's why you have, like what you're talking about, these these abortion workers, really shocked with with the truth of what's going on. Yeah, and you think about it, just kind of as a side note. Now mentioned this too, that you have a woman who's believed the lies that the abortion industry has told her, that her baby's just a blob of tissue or clump of cells, that what she's going to go through with the abortion peel procedure, for example, is just like a menstrual cycle. She she believes that she goes in, she goes through with the abortion peel procedure and, like some women have not, not I don't even know the majority, but it has happened, because we've heard of this. She's believed all of that stuff, that it's not a baby, and then she delivers this child at nine weeks, ten weeks, into the toilet and she looks into the toilet to see, you know, did she just pass a golf ball size blood clot? I mean what? Obviously you want to see what's going on there. It looks down and she sees a fully formed, intact baby that she killed. I think about that. She's been told it's a blob of tissue, a clump of cells, but she comes face to face of the reality of what she's done right there in her bathroom by herself, seeing her baby, her son or daughter, and of course, oftentimes flushing that baby down the toilet like waste. What a grievous thing. What a grievous thing for her? Yeah, to really have been lied to and duped and the people that are supposed to support her in telling her this is health care, actually told her it was a Blob of tissue and she sees it's a baby and then, of course, for that that that baby like. What a grievous thing, yeah, to have happened to her into that baby. Yeah, I've heard many pro choice people try to defend all of this, particularly with the pill, because the baby so much smaller early on, saying well, it's not sentient, the baby doesn't know that. The baby's being starved or asphyxiated. And I just come right back with where else is a stronger person to prey upon a completely vulnerable little person? And it's okay because, I think again, it is so important to keep bringing everyone back to the fact this is a human being and it may not be fully developed. He or she may not be fully developed, but he or she is vulnerable and we are as as civilized people, should protect the vulnerable, not contribute to their death because they can't defend themselves. Heavy subject and we know it is and we're sorry for that. But but I think again to reiterate, saying that an abortion is barbaric is one thing and most people will be able to just continue on into a clinic, but describing...

...the barber the barbaric nature of an abortion blow by blow is a completely different thing and I think it really does help someone to come more truthfully to grips with what they're doing. And once you have delivered that message, then your responsibility before God and for that child has has been properly done and now it's up to God and that woman and and you are absolved of the guilt of that child's blood. Yeah, absolutely we're called to speak the truth. Yeah, of course we're called to speak the truth. In love, right. We're called to speak the truth and and let the Lord apply that Truth and let the Lord in the heart of that mother change her heart and change her mind. And so, guys, this has been a heavy subject. This is not one of those podcasts where you end and it's like, you know, I'll joy and great, great stuff and great feelings. Right, there's a heaviness and there should be a heaviness. But we hope that this podcast has been equipping for you, guys, and we hope that you've been challenged to to be able to share the truth of what abortion does to those precious little babies with the MOMS, with the dad's when appropriate, and so we love for you guys to take advantage. We mentioned a few articles and a few videos. I would just set aside sometime, guys, and do your due diligence and study this subject matter, even as difficult as it might be, be praying through the whole thing and letting God minister to your heart, because this is this is heavy stuff to be to be watching and to be listening to, but I do think it's worth it. To be informed of what's going on inside of those places of death and even to have it your your fingertips. The videos to show the women going into the abortion center when appropriate. Yeah, but again, we hope this is equipping you, guys. We encourage you. Guys. Please reach out to us if you have questions other subjects she's like for us to cover. You can reach me at Daniel at love life dot org, reach her Vicky at Love Life Dot Org. We love to talk with you the email and answer any questions, encourage you as much as we were able to, and with that will wrap this thing up and until next time, God bless God, bless y'all. Give me our love for love, give me our love for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious, and some that you.

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